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Santoni Shoe Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ThinkDerm, Sep 8, 2012.

  1. lusso63

    lusso63 Member

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    sestyle, perhaps your observations on the possibility that the perception of the American consumers attention to detail, quality, etc. is a lesser factor than in other markets is quite accurate! It does seem to have merit in general when one looks at this in an objective way. Not caring for generalizations, it is easy to see how that perception would be without much dispute in other cultures when looking at the US market, not in a condescending manner, but more as a common opinion.
     
  2. Indyoshi68

    Indyoshi68 Senior member

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    BeSpiff - yes, I would be happy to post. Been away from home a couple days so I haven't spent much time with the new addition to the family. :) Will post this evening, though.
     
  3. Indyoshi68

    Indyoshi68 Senior member

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    SeStyle, I hear you in terms of the rubber soles, the leather quality and the US market... I'll be more meticulous in the future and do my due diligence.

    I do have one question for you, however...what would your opinion of my purchase be if I said I spent $130 for the same shoe? I try to avoid being the 'easy mark' when making any purchase, but education comes as much from the experience as it does the research. For my research, I was rewarded with this acquisition at the above mentioned price...$160 with trees.

    ...Kudos for me now?

    Or still a bad buy at $130...?

    I knew the rubber sole was frowned upon buy the forums, but I am trying to maintain an upward trajectory on my shoe knowledge and purchases. I believe this qualifies!!! Thanks for feedback, gentlemen.

    As an aside: any thoughts on Silvano Sassetti and his US offerings? Will post pics of those as well.
     
  4. Beach Bum

    Beach Bum Senior member

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    Indyoshi, I assume these are the shoes shown below. At $130, great buy, most of us (at least myself) would have jumped at that. Especially for new, even at used assuming minimal wear it's a great deal. Nicely done.

    When you hear comparisons from current US offerings that run in the < $600 line to either what used to be offered or what could be offered for about $100-300 more that's where the negativity starts. If uneducated buyers are willing to pay $550 for Santonis that they think are great, and I think are great relative to other makers, if only they knew or had option to spend $150 more and come out with a much higher quality shoe.

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  5. Indyoshi68

    Indyoshi68 Senior member

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    SeStyle - so $650 - $900 should be where I expect to find that next level of leather, construction, styling and durability? Labels notwithstanding, I'd love to read (or see) a few examples of what shoe you would consider for a business suit (politics/marketing versus banking or fashion), and a slightly less formal shoe (from slacks to jeans versatility)... I want to acquire 'The Force', as those who have come before me have done; the ability to find the point at which the shoe becomes a muse for great creations! Educate me, as I am eager to learn. I see you too, shoe snobs; no offense taken for your criticisms! :)
     
  6. sestyle

    sestyle Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG] I am probably not the right person to give you any kind of satisfying answer regarding shoes, as I lack the experience to do so. What I know regarding shoe construction/style is largely due to my own 'feel' of the shoe and my experience with construction of many other items; like furniture, jewelry, watches and so on. I'll give it a try anyway...

    Starting from the top. You have your John Lobbs, Edward Greens, St Crispins, Cleverley's, Vass, Gaziano & Girlings, Santonis, Bontoni's and so on. All of these brands have quality, some are modern, some highly finished, and each brand is distinctive in its own way. Each shoemaker has something that sets them apart from the other, and some are lacking where others excel. This is one good reason to mix brands in your rotation, as you will hopefully take the shining examples from each maker, and have a nice and varied collection which suits your tastes (which will inevitably change... part of the fun).

    But we can't all afford to go plunking down 1-2k for a pair of shoes, now can we? And if one is setting a 'new-only' policy for themselves, it gets harder. Does the shoe need to crest 650-900? I don't think so, but we were talking about Santoni here, and their shoe quality/price seem to support your conclusion. I see the 'real Santoni' in SOME of the classic line shoes, and your Saxton looks like a nice shoe. IMO the rubber soled versions always 'feel' completely inferior to others in my rotation. They're generally the same quality as Magnanni, To Boot, etc. I've never looked closely at the Saxton, and I don't know how to explain the difference other than general construction & leather quality. At 130 it surely is a bargain, but if you have a pair of Santoni goodyears as well, you will see the differences. I've obtained Santoni Goodyears lightly worn for $100-200, so I don't bother with the current classic line. Allen Edmonds are better quality than the rubber soles at $340. I'm not a huge fan of AE styles, but they are made very well. Sutor has much better shoes in the $300 closeout range, so I'd look there as well. Carmina is also a great bargain, in the $400-500 range for brand new. Their quality SMOKES Santoni rubber soles, and is generally cheaper too. Alden has amazing shoes in the sub $500 range. Vass is a bargain and 5X the quality of the Santoni lower lines, and is barely more expensive at retail prices. All of the high-end brands can be had for $300-600 with patience, so take your time. The Grail shoes everyone gets fussed about will need to be purchased retail or closeout if you're lucky. Part of the fun is waiting...

    A lot of my posts in this forum come from my love and hate of Santoni, and their obvious neglect of the US market. Or rather they know the average american doesn't know better, and they have shoes to match the market they know better than I do. Santoni showed me my first glimpse into high shoe quality, and now it's not available here. WTF? Despite the lovely posts of 1300.00 goodyear's available only in NJ/flagship stores, I don't see them in San Francisco at all. And if I were to drop 1300 retail, well, I'd have to see the shoe in person & try on, which is something I can do with nearly any other brand here (except for EG, which for whatever reason is not sold in the Bay Area).

    As far as styling goes, it's completely personal. I'm admittedly inexperienced in knowing the sartorial ways, and that's ok for me. I would suggest browsing the forums and you will see shoes that catch your eye. I posted my Santoni's in here a while ago. My rotation has a handful of Santoni, Sutor Mantelassi, Vass, Carmina, EG, and Lobb. Obviously I didn't buy any of the more $$ brands retail (snobs feel free to pound me for this, I really don't care what anyone thinks). I am very happy with my rotation, but I work in a casual industry where no one really cares what I have on feet. If I have time later, I'll I'll post some pics of things I find very appealing in a shoe. Again, this is my opinion. Since I am younger and less experienced myself, I hope some of my ideas resonate with your thinking. Good luck hunting & discovering your style!
     
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  7. Indyoshi68

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    BeSpiff,

    Per your request... These are feeling better, great actually, as I break 'em in a bit. I'm hoping that the issue with the insole/construction hasn't just seemed to go away since I haven't pounded Chicago's downtown streets in them yet. Not as shiny as some of the pics appear, others are more accurate. Super soft, which makes me worry about creasing. Trees will always be in 'em...

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  8. BeSpiffington

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    Fantastic pics sir. Very stylish.
     
  9. nice1take5

    nice1take5 Well-Known Member

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    If anyone is interested with Santoni on sale, I am pre-selling for our June Half-Yearly sale right now. Here's the look book:

    www.nordshoesparamus.com/wp

    Contact me at hafiz.azly(at)nordstrom.com to place your pre sale order, ideally before 6/14 (first day of the sale) so you will get the best options. Shipping is free.

    If you are on Instagram, keep up to date by following me @hafiznyc

    I can also be reached at the store. Phone number is on the pictures in the look-book. Ask for Hafiz.
     
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  10. ThinkDerm

    ThinkDerm Senior member

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    any santoni limited editions?
     
  11. nice1take5

    nice1take5 Well-Known Member

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    ThinkDerm,

    No limited editions as we don't stock it on a regular basis, just special orders based on availability.
     
  12. othertravel

    othertravel Senior member

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    What's the price on the double monks?
     
  13. mr monty

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    Take them and the Silvano Sassetti back. Use the money to buy a better quality pair of shoes.
    . You will regret ever buying those shoes. Checkout the DSW website and google for some discount codes. You can still find the better quality Santoni shoes on sale.

    http://www.dsw.com/luxe810/collection/men%27s+santoni/dsw12cat1780010/page-1/
     
  14. Indyoshi68

    Indyoshi68 Senior member

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    Thanks, Monty; glad to be on SF.

    Now, you clearly have been at this longer than I (judging from your # of posts and join date), so do you care to share why I am going to regret my purchases? I can't know it if you don't tell it. I'm trying to take something (anything) helpful from your post...edify me.

    DSW is a joke. Brick and mortar, online... even Lux options are ugly. Boring and ugly, actually. No style. It'll be some time before I become my grandfather. Until then, I'd like to be able to incorporate some of my own flair into my shoes. Oh, BTW, I'm a size 12D/E depending on the manufacturer, and DSW only has baby shoes left in any style I could stomach (size 8 and under). DSW is three blocks from my office...it's not far enough away, if you ask me. :-\

    So - DSW? Fail... Opinion on Santoni and Sassetti? TBD...Maybe you could offer some insight on awesome rear end pictures of women whom I will never meet, or won't 'drop trou' without payment up front...j/k But, dude - DSW...? Really? Isn't that the shoe equivalent of 'Men's Warehouse'?

    BTW, being pompous doesn't make you sound like more of an authority - just pompous. sestyle offered rationale for his opinions, and that's why I am asking (see initial post) - to acquaint myself with the nuances in the different types of shoes/makers/leather/durability/styles (G&G, Grenson, Loake, Lobb, Alden, Gucci, Prada, Herring, SF, Maurizi...) that I do and don't own.

    Thanks for the heads up, though. Now I know where to go for my girly shots...and marginal feedback. (I love initiation!)

    I've seen people post about the folks who scour the forums with contempt for the 'unrefined' members. I think a thread should be created for them, specifically. What to call it, though...? Suggestions welcomed!!!
     
  15. Indyoshi68

    Indyoshi68 Senior member

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    sestyle, thanks for putting some thought into your reply.

    I am eager to learn as much as possible about the shoe game, as it has become a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I love beautiful things (I have an artistic background) and shoes are no exception. I am seeing that the prettiest girl/shoe at the dance/store isn't always the one you wanna take home, though. You gave some tangible references for me to think about going forward. eBay and other bid sites are cool, but I need to see and feel the shoes right now. Just want to know the chances of success/uphoria with each variation and maker. If awesome bargains can be had as a bonus, sign me up!

    Just as an aside, I walk ALOT each day...to, from and during work. The goodyear flex-welted Sassetti feels like I should be wearing it on the basketball court - crazy flexible, very forgiving during pavement pounding. My knees and back love them. That alone was worth the price. Compliment City when I wear them as well.

    'Stand Up Guy' post, sestyle. Hope it's contagious... ;-j
     
  16. mr monty

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    Maybe I could post a picture of your face with the photos of rear ends? On second thought, they don't allow pictures that show @ssholes
     
  17. Indyoshi68

    Indyoshi68 Senior member

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    Consider me bested, monty. I feel the burn... Again, that's for the heads up.
     
  18. coxaca

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    Back to Santoni then.

    I just ordered a pair of these:

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    These are from the Andrea Santoni FAM line, with leather soles. Judging from this and other photos, the "wear" on the toe looks like a deliberate antiquing effect.

    Delivery hopefully will be sometime next week. Ordered from Jofré in Barcelona, via farfetch.com.
     
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  19. Beach Bum

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    Alright, another Santoni purchase just couldn't help myself. Santoni Striper 2. Saw it at 50% off on Nordstrom's site which is very rare to get to that discount, and only one size left and it was mine (13D). It was a sign, just hope they fit as this is the exact type of shoe I can use into summer/fall.

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  20. coxaca

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    Those are really nice, Beachbum.
     

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