I don't like shoulder pads that are substantially wider that my actual shoulders. A small overhang is OK, but batwings over a big divot are something I don't want to wear. And I like to be able to lift my arms up to my sides without the shoulders popping up like Himalayas, which generally means high/small armholes. Also, I really like a jacket to fit properly in both the chest and the waist. Obviously, if it's close, it can be altered to fit properly, but the fit has to be right, not just the correct chest-size number. I need a new suit or two, and a new blazer, and for the last two months I've been making the rounds of deparment stores (e.g. Macy's, Nordstroms), men's clothing chain stores (e.g. Brooks Bros), and independent local men's clothing stores as well. In almost all stores, the salesmen want to pick out jackets for me, and tell me how great they look. No matter how much I tell them specifically what I want, or point out other obvious fit problems like too-long jackets or collar problems, they insist that it looks great, and they ignore my comments. If I like a certain brand, they'll continue to push a different brand. So I end up thanking them for their time, and walking out without buying. In one independent store, I was finally able to convince the owner to try it my way, and ordered a suit, which needed some small tweaks. He went back to insisting that it was a perfect fit, and it did not need any alterations by the in-store tailor. Oh well, it goes to my regular alterations guy. Only one salesperson has truly listened to my needs (as well as clearly discussing where he disagreed, and why), but his prices are extremely high and his range of sizes is limited. I value a good eye, and I want to hear a salesman's opinion. If we disagree, I value a discussion with someone who knows his business and his products. But I'm the customer; the final decision is mine. So what is up with the salesmen that keep saying that it looks and fits beautifully, despite obvious fit problems or failure to meet my standards? Do people actually end up buying what they're told to buy, rather than what they know they want?