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WOW, just wow:
The delusion of the human mind at work:
- Giant lapels
- Gorge at your chest
- Padded shoulders
- Long as ****
- Triple Pleats
- Cuffed pants
- Baggy as ****
Yup, you look like a million bucks!
Keep it up!
I understand your questions and comments however... ...I came of age in the late fifties and early sixties. In the fifties and early sixties suits were all pretty much the same and classic by today's standards. Normal sized lapels, cuffs on the pants, pleated trousers, etc. All RTW that I know of back in the fifties were fairly high quality, made in the USA clothes...fully canvassed, high quality wools, etc. This is what I grew up with and this is what I stuck to. I started having my suits custom made in the late seventies and early eighties when you could no longer find the suits I've described. Throughout the eighties and nineties I had about forty or fifty suits made. I wore suits five days per week, sometimes six. But fifty suits in rotation each suit was only worn about five times per year, and when I gave them away in 1999 most looked nearly new. When I started wearing suits again a couple of years ago I found a custom tailor, bought the fabrics from England and continued having the same suit made again. I am happy with the look that I have worn for forty years and don't see a need to change it.I tried to put the point more delicately than Reevolving, but Yachtie and I got into a similar debate not even 5 posts back.
Suppose we were to grant that your personal style 20 years ago did not follow all these, but are you saying that your suits back then didn't have *any* of these features? That all around you this was considered popular and cool, but even then you saw this look as ugly? That no subset of these features crept into your personal wardrobe? How could the popular taste of the time not exert an influence?
Yachtie assures me this is the case with his own wardrobe. I can't imagine what these suits would look like now or 20 years ago, but I take him at his word.
I knew this entrepreneur who had lived through the ,com era and i asked him if he had believed in the .com valuations based on eyeballs and the frictionless economy and all those other fashions of the late 90s technology boom. He told me that he would have had to be a sociopath not the believe it. That if you are involved in society, of course it would have an influence you.
Now there is a whole bunch of people claiming not to be influenced by what is fashionable. The thing about clothes -- unlike, say, pottery -- is that every walk in the street, read in a magazine, or turning on of the tv exerts some influence.
There are guys who've been wearing 501s since before you were born. Why would you assume the same thing couldn't happen with other pieces of clothing? The idea that people are clay being molded on a daily basis by what the media pushes out is nice in theory. In reality look at most guys over a certain age. They drink the same beer they did in college. They dress the same way they have for years. Odds are they drive the same brand of car. Companies don't spend so much try to hook the young just for kicks. Most people get hooked and stay hooked. Of course look at most guys over say 50 many are still wearing the same suits they bought years ago. If they buy a new one the old ones rarely get thrown out.e. The thing about clothes -- unlike, say, pottery -- is that every walk in the street, read in a magazine, or turning on of the tv exerts some influence.
I think that for some of us what's going on with fashion is much less influential that you think: Let's look at Reevolving's list: Giant lapels - Proportional for me, may be too big for someone else Gorge at your chest - gorge height is driven by the relative length of your torso and legs, mine are about a handwidth below by shoulder Padded shoulders - some- I have a dropped shoulder with large traps and I don't like the "natural shoulder" look Long as **** - Don't know what "as ****" means re:length, but I like my jacket to cover ******, so it does Triple Pleats - 2 pleats, either forward or reverse as it suits me Cuffed pants - you bet, they're not jeans. Baggy as **** - sort of the antithesis of bespoke, I like a clean chest so I skipped the whole "drape" thing here and elsewhere. It's really is possible to have your own look. Some will like it , others won't. Couldn't care less.I tried to put the point more delicately than Reevolving, but Yachtie and I got into a similar debate not even 5 posts back.
Suppose we were to grant that your personal style 20 years ago did not follow all these, but are you saying that your suits back then didn't have *any* of these features? That all around you this was considered popular and cool, but even then you saw this look as ugly? That no subset of these features crept into your personal wardrobe? How could the popular taste of the time not exert an influence?
Yachtie assures me this is the case with his own wardrobe. I can't imagine what these suits would look like now or 20 years ago, but I take him at his word.
I knew this entrepreneur who had lived through the ,com era and i asked him if he had believed in the .com valuations based on eyeballs and the frictionless economy and all those other fashions of the late 90s technology boom. He told me that he would have had to be a sociopath not the believe it. That if you are involved in society, of course it would have an influence you.
Now there is a whole bunch of people claiming not to be influenced by what is fashionable. The thing about clothes -- unlike, say, pottery -- is that every walk in the street, read in a magazine, or turning on of the tv exerts some influence.
There are guys who've been wearing 501s since before you were born. Why would you assume the same thing couldn't happen with other pieces of clothing?
The idea that people are clay being molded on a daily basis by what the media pushes out is nice in theory. In reality look at most guys over a certain age. They drink the same beer they did in college. They dress the same way they have for years. Odds are they drive the same brand of car.
Companies don't spend so much try to hook the young just for kicks. Most people get hooked and stay hooked.
Of course look at most guys over say 50 many are still wearing the same suits they bought years ago. If they buy a new one the old ones rarely get thrown out.
You know, you might want to follow the following advice from Mark Twain:
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
My favorite suit was made well before I was born, and I think it still looks great:
There are guys who've been wearing 501s since before you were born. Why would you assume the same thing couldn't happen with other pieces of clothing?
The idea that people are clay being molded on a daily basis by what the media pushes out is nice in theory. In reality look at most guys over a certain age. They drink the same beer they did in college. They dress the same way they have for years. Odds are they drive the same brand of car.
Companies don't spend so much try to hook the young just for kicks. Most people get hooked and stay hooked.
Of course look at most guys over say 50 many are still wearing the same suits they bought years ago. If they buy a new one the old ones rarely get thrown out.
There are guys who've been wearing 501s since before you were born.
Why would you assume the same thing couldn't happen with other pieces of clothing?
3 buttons is laughed off this forum.
Get with the FASHION !