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Royal oxford vs oxford

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by King Salmon, Mar 20, 2008.

  1. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    Why self-promotion?

    The best promotion would be slight-of-hand on the Net. (I bet that 'slight' is spelled differently in this context too...)

    I agree that to really use the Net. well Mr. Manton shouldn't just post about himself & his opinions - That would be crass & very easily seen through.

    But it could be done with skill & a reputation manufactured on the sly if M. was so inclined. The Net. is so open to abuse.

    - An academic discussion anyway because I don't think that any of this is M.'s style.


    I wasn't addressing anyone's style of self-promotion (whether subtle, overt, or non-existent). My point was that history shows us that the marginal benefits of forum loyalty are relatively low, particularly when a product is at least competent or decent. Manton spends a lot of time on SF--usually ([​IMG]) to be helpful. That time isn't likely to win him many dollars over what he would have made anyway. I'm sure he knows this, and thus, I doubt his motivations are particularly mercenary.
     


  2. RussellStreet

    RussellStreet Senior Member

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    [​IMG] No one here, maybe. Elsewhere, trashing it is something of a cottage industry. Less lucrative than writing it, however.

    I'd harness that and bill yourself as the author that everybody's talking about.

    You need to spin these things.

    Best -
     


  3. RussellStreet

    RussellStreet Senior Member

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    ^^^ I wasn't addressing anyone's style of self-promotion (whether subtle, overt, or non-existent). My point was that history shows us that the marginal benefits of forum loyalty are relatively low, particularly when a product is at least competent or decent. Manton spends a lot of time on SF--usually ([​IMG]) to be helpful. That time isn't likely to win him many dollars over what he would have made anyway. I'm sure he knows this, and thus, I doubt his motivations are particularly mercenary.

    I'm sure you're right.

    My point is that they could be if Mr. M. wanted to go down that route & that it could be done with finess.

    Academic, as I've said before. But if one was so inclined one could really have a ball on the Net. & hopefully make a few bucks too.

    Why not?

    I would.
     


  4. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    ^^^ I wasn't addressing anyone's style of self-promotion (whether subtle, overt, or non-existent). My point was that history shows us that the marginal benefits of forum loyalty are relatively low, particularly when a product is at least competent or decent. Manton spends a lot of time on SF--usually ([​IMG]) to be helpful. That time isn't likely to win him many dollars over what he would have made anyway. I'm sure he knows this, and thus, I doubt his motivations are particularly mercenary.

    They aren't mercenary at all. I spend time on SF for two reasons: 1) It's fun. 2) I make my living at a computer, and I procrastinate.

    I have no doubt that my participation here sold some copies, and I'm grateful for that, but that's not why I am here. I didn't even write the book to make money. I wrote it for the enjoyment of it. Sure, I would have been delighted had it sold a million copies. But I was pretty sure from the beginning that it wouldn't, and I wrote it anyway. Believe me, I could have made a lot more money had I spent every hour I worked on the book doing other things.
     


  5. Brad

    Brad Distinguished Member

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    ^^^
    Maybe I'm missing something, but what does Manton's book have to do with oxford cloth?
     


  6. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    They aren't mercenary at all. I spend time on SF for two reasons: 1) It's fun. 2) I make my living at a computer, and I procrastinate.

    I have no doubt that my participation here sold some copies, and I'm grateful for that, but that's not why I am here. I didn't even write the book to make money. I wrote it for the enjoyment of it. Sure, I would have been delighted had it sold a million copies. But I was pretty sure from the beginning that it wouldn't, and I wrote it anyway. Believe me, I could have made a lot more money had I spent every hour I worked on the book doing other things.


    This sounds extremely honest to me. I should be working on my paper, but I'm not, and it is fun to participate here. Moreover, I never imagined a book on suits (no matter how good) would make much money; afterall, it doesn't seem that Mr. Flusser is swimming in cash.

    You mentioned earlier that your book hadn't been received well by some. I imagine that might have something to do with the its very focused subject matter, narrow audience, and the countervailing impressions of men's fashion.
     


  7. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    ^^^ I was a talking about a very specific subset of my "critics." It was mostly received very well in the industry. And despite it not being published in England, I have been gratified many times to see it on the shelves of Savile Row shops, and to hear tailors tell me how much they liked it, and that they recommend it to their customers.
     


  8. RussellStreet

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    It'll never happen but I'd love to 'sell' Mr. Manton in the way I sold "Trad" over on AAAT, only really push the boat out & not fool around this time.

    I can't do it now I've said I want to because people would be looking out for the sudden chorus of approval for Mr. M.'s work. I could never pull that old 'Harris' trick again.

    But with a sellable product (and every product is sellable) in an unsuspecting marketplace it would be great to do it all again. Only bigger & better & brighter -

    A star is born!

    I love the Net. & I love the way that you can do all these things on it. But next time I really want to sell something more than just an idea.
     


  9. RussellStreet

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    ^^^
    Maybe I'm missing something, but what does Manton's book have to do with oxford cloth?


    Blame me, Brother.

    I'm just bouncing ideas around.

    I'm an English Oxford cloth fan, FWIW. Lots of us old Advertising chaps are.
     


  10. Teacher

    Teacher Stylish Dinosaur

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    [​IMG] No one here, maybe. Elsewhere, trashing it is something of a cottage industry. Less lucrative than writing it, however.

    Well, as long as they spell you name right and all that....
     


  11. Brad

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    Blame me, Brother.

    I'm just bouncing ideas around.

    I'm an English Oxford cloth fan, FWIW. Lots of us old Advertising chaps are.


    It just seems a bit pathetic to chase after another "internet gentleman" to stump for an "awesome post of the day" nomination. No?
     


  12. RussellStreet

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    It just seems a bit pathetic to chase after another "internet gentleman" to stump for an "awesome post of the day" nomination. No?

    I'm with Teacher on this - As long as they spell your name right... [​IMG]

    To be serious though, who's chasing who?

    Is Mr. Manton an "Internet Gentleman"? I'd say no. They occupy a lower position in the pecking order I think. Mr. M. is an author.

    To be honest the 'Awesome' & 'Inane' posts of the day on FNB aren't quite my thing. I try to join in with them, but I like other things more. Tennessee Williams has been much on my mind lately. You a fan by any chance?

    All you're seeing here is forum banter & like you I am a forum member.
    ... I'm getting to be quite fond of this forum too. One can chat & try out ideas and have them challenged. I like that.

    So to answer your question - No, you're barking up the wrong tree here.
    Not everything is what you think it is.

    Best -
     


  13. AlanC

    AlanC Minister of Trad

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    Wow. This thread has veered horribly on track.

    Ah, glad to see things steered themselves awrong again.
     


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    You guys really need to get over this idea that I am on Style Forum to get rich.

    That would be amazing. SF has only made me poorer, especially those [email protected]#$ shoe pr0n threads.

    --Andre
     


  15. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    Wow. This thread has veered horribly on track.

    Ah, glad to see things steered themselves awrong again.

    Responding to your own quotation ought to make the universe explode. I take the fact that it hasn't as further proof that SF is a realm free of sanity's normal constraints.
     


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