I am looking to have a suit made with natural shoulders (no padding) but want a well defined and strong roping. How exactly is this accomplished? A few tailors told me it is more difficult to produce a strong rope with natural shoulders because the shoulder edge is not stiff enough to support alot of roping - roping would tend to collapse somewhat. I tend to believe this but have a RTW suit with no padding that has strong roping - but this RTW is fused so maybe the fusing stiffness is helping since it runs into the shoulder seem in front? How to achieve in fully canvassed instead?