Rock hard leather inner and outer soles can beat your poor feet to a pulp. Here's what I do....

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Reevolving, Sep 26, 2011.

  1. Quadcammer

    Quadcammer Senior member

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    comfort is subjective you mook. Walking on a hard surface that is molded to your foot can be as comfortable as walking on a pillow. Not to mention, having good structure and support is the most important for overall body comfort.
     


  2. FlyingMonkey

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    Thanks for telling me what I 'should' know. I suspect, however, that I have rather more experience than you in this area. And please don't try to drag me into your personal grudge match with Reevolving simply because I recognise that he has a point on this particular issue. .
     


  3. Reevolving

    Reevolving Senior member

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    If it's subjective, then what's your point, troll?
    MY feet were beat to shit after wearing my rock solid $800 shoes today, despite the heel inserts.
    Hard leather heels + Hard leather outers + Hard leather inners + Gel inserts = pain after 7 hours.
    If it's subjective, your mileage may vary.

    You can have all the damn "structure" you want.
    Doesn't change the simple 1st grade observation that leather soles are hard as fuck, to put it bluntly.



    Right, a pillow.
    You keep telling yourself that.
     
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  4. well-kept

    well-kept Senior member

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    Count me as a delusional nutjob, but allow me to ask if you have ever worn Edward Greens?
     


  5. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    I think you are the one with the bias. What kinds of surfaces do you think our ancestors evolved to walk on...run on? The answer is dern sure not neoprene. Dirt, hard packed in most cases. Rock. Gravel. And only rarely daily watered golf courses.

    I know a little about leather and leather insoles. Some leathers are harder than others...period. The better quality insole leathers will not be rock hard...period.

    Whats more, at the price point you quote, the chances approach certainty that they are GY welted and that means that the insoles have at least an eighth inch of cork between the insole and the outsole. Is this a case of "the Princess and the Pea?"

    You may not like leather shoes...fair enough. But I suspect you haven't thought this through or that you know just enough about shoemaking and leather to be dangerous.

    PS...hides are "cured" with salt to become "raw hide.' Raw hide is not leather. Leather is "tanned."

    PPS...99.9% of women's shoes...at any price point...have fiberboard insoles.

    PPSS...bias only develops when you don't know what you're talking about. We're all born ignorant but staying ignorant is stupidity.

    "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov, column in Newsweek (21 January 1980)
     
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  6. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    One further comment...I really do sympathize with you...your whole attitude comes across as someone who has had aching feet all day long...for weeks and weeks. It would seem to me that the obvious answer is to wear running shoes, if you can't handle leather shoes.

    But with all due respect, the very fact that many, many people wear leather shoes and never experience the discomfort you cite...don't agree with your extreme hyperbole...ought to move you to question both your assumptions and your conclusions.

    That you feel pain is not at issue here. No one doubts that.

    Your categorization of leather and leather shoes, however, is suspect at best.
     


  7. Medwed

    Medwed Senior member

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    Put rubber sole protectors on or buy bespoke shoes with rubber soles. Darltons are pretty bad shoes with non-existent heel pocket that is constantly slipping and super-tough soles that woudl not develop hinge in 20 wears. The fact that they are made of extra-thick shell does not help the issue. Darltons are hands down the most uncomfortable shoes that I still own.
     


  8. hendrix

    hendrix Ill-proportioned

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    +1. My leather-soled shoes are more comfortable than my sneakers. Soft != comfortable, at least for more than 30 mins of wear.

    You have to be meticulous with getting a perfect fit though.
     


  9. Reevolving

    Reevolving Senior member

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    Yes, and they also died at 25.
    Life was nasty, brutish, and short.
    Give me the neoprene any day of the week.


    Well, I have classic Florshiem's, Vass, C&J, and several pairs of Allen Edmonds.
    ALL destroy my feet after a full day. Without exception. Only those with a rubber sole (or heel) are more forgiving.
    I guess one needs to either drop down to the $100 Johnston and Murphy range
    (Heavenly insoles. TOPS in the industry, bar none, unless you're a brainwashed groupthink SF labelwhore)
    or the mythical $1000+ range to get a comfortable pair of shoes. (I wouldn't bet my money on that, however)
    For me, I will stick to $10 gels to make do with my shoddy collection of shoes.

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    LOL. Like I said, it's 1st grade physics.
    Hard leather is way forgiving than puffy soft cloth and rubber padding.
    Ignorance, indeed. (Or just plain bullshit of the most brazen caliber)
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    Ok, NOW we're getting somewhere. Yes, I certainly can't handle wearing leather soles. They are hard as shit on every shoe I own. Looking fabulous is what it's all about, but my feet need a vacation from all this leather soled glamour! Even the ladies can't wear their brutal heels EVERY day. I will be shifting to my workhorse J&M's for the next few days. Thank GOD for $100 shoes with rubber soles and padded inner. Real footwear. Not impractical decorations. Just like high heels. In fact, maybe I should carry a 2nd pair of shoes in my manpurse, just like the smart women do.
     
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  10. hendrix

    hendrix Ill-proportioned

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    Honestly if you can fit one of those gel insoles in your shoes they were probably too big to begin with. hence the fit issues.
     


  11. fritzl

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    only, if they are not fitted, imo.
     


  12. Reevolving

    Reevolving Senior member

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    Good point, but these are the very smallest and thinnest heel gels.
    http://www.amazon.com/Scholls-Massaging-Heel-Cushions-Womens/dp/B00099E8W8
    They are from the women's section, in fact. (flame on, trolls)
    They are not like the big footlong inserts you need to cut to size.
    Those kind do not fit in my shoes, like you said.

    Regardless, I've already addressed the mythical fit issue.
    I bet I could drive a nail with the insoles, if the shoe were somehow turned inside out.
    Take your pick: Vass AE C&J Florsheim. All could drive a nail, I bet.
     
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  13. Reevolving

    Reevolving Senior member

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    Ok, some actual reality & facts. Thanks. The shoes do feel bulletproof and thick. I love them. I can tell they're going to last forever.
    The fact that I can only endure wearing them perhaps twice a week should make them last a solid 20 years.
    So, your soles never broke in? Is that b/c you gave up on them? I love how these shoes look.
    I can pay the price of looking fabulous, and if that means feet that are beat to shit, so be it !
    I will break these in, esp, considering that they are $800 shoes. I don't give up that easily !



    No, I have not. Do they have padded insoles like Johnston and Murphy?
    (the most comfortable shoe in my collection, bar none (Vass/AE/C&J/Florsheim/Cheaney)
     
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  14. hendrix

    hendrix Ill-proportioned

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    meh, they're comfortable for me so i guess all i can say is i'm sorry for your situation.

    If finances allowed i'd suggest trying bespoke. As we have a similar collection and i feel no discomfort, it is likely an issue of fit.
     


  15. fritzl

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    +1


    this

    imo, bespoke wouldn't help as he hasn''t comprehended the concept of shoes and their fit, yet.
     


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