hmm... okay... but would you really shoot ~300 $ at that? By "first nice shoes" I didn't mean that I don't own any dress shoes - I do. They just aren't by brands known in this forum (or at least no one admits it ) and I have vastly different sizes in them - ranging from 9 1/2 to 10 1/2. I probably could just order a 10, but I'd like to take my narrow feet into account, a luxury I wasn't granted in my pre-SF shoe life... Any suggestions are much appreciated. If I remember right, there were some complex comparisons/calculations to figure out your RMW size based on a slew of other shoe brands located in the first few pages of this thread. Very useful! Perhaps you can get somewhere to try on a shoe that is than mapped to a RMW size?