RM Williams Boots - Everything You Wanted to Know

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  1. Sator

    Sator Senior member

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    "...as the old fashioned UK system RMW uses only introduces increases in lengths when you go up a whole size (half sizes just run a width wider)... I left these options out as it just gets way too complicated"

    This piece of information would have saved me ~$300 after I threw away my size 11s which were just a little too short and ordered 11.5s thinking they would be a perfect fit but ended up still hurting my toes...

    I shall never again order a shoe I have not tried on.


    I have only just discovered it. I notice however that it does not hold true for Edward Green. Then again I have been wondering for a while if they use a US sizing system with the stamped UK size being a conversion of the US size.
     
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    Yes. i too wish I'd known that sooner. It explains why my 11.5Gs and 11Hs fit so similarly. [​IMG]
     
  3. Sator

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    Yes. I wish I had discovered that fact sooner as well. I really do. I read it somewhere that UK shoe sizing did work that way and low and behold it was true of RMW boots. Trust me, I was really surprised. This is the real reason for the change in my sizing guide. It also explains my previous observations about RMW boots running a bit short.
     
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    Yes. I wish I had discovered that fact sooner as well. I really do.

    I read it somewhere that UK shoe sizing did work that way and low and behold it was true of RMW boots. Trust me, I was really surprised. This is real reason for the change in my sizing guide. It also explains my previous observations about RMW boots running a bit short.


    It's a remarkably useful piece of information nonetheless. Thanks for digging it up, Sator. Yet another unique contribution to come out of a terrific thread.
     
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    I thought I new it all after spending hours measuring and remeasuring different size boots - until I was ready to go mad and was utterly convinced they had no more secrets to give up. Then this! [​IMG]

    I currently have a pair of 9C, B529 last, brass screwed boots on order from Steve. I usually wear 7.5E (snug) to 7.5F (medium fit) and I will be very interested in seeing how my experiment works out. I know I can wear 8.5C in Allen Edmonds Nr 5 last shoes and the resultant length/width should be pretty similar.
     
  6. TheOneTrueMatt

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    Ok so I've had my RMWs for a couple weeks now (only worn them out once or twice) and I'm fairly sure they are not the right size. If they were going to break in enough to not feel excessively tight on my feet I think they would have done so by now. I'm going to be in NYC next week, and I'm gonna go to the RMW store and try on whatever I can to hopefully find my ideal size before I reorder, but in the meantime...

    Anyone interested in a barely worn pair of Chestnut Craftsman (Yearling leather) in size 8F? I'm sure we can work out a good price, as It's been a few weeks so I won't really notice the loss, and there are scuffs on the sole because I did wear them out of the apartment a couple times thinking they'd stretch to be comfortable. PM me and I can take pics or whatever.

    I'm wondering if anyone can give me a description of how these should feel in the ideal size. As in, I can tell if they're too big but I obviously had trouble telling when they were too small. And my outer toes seem to hit the side of the toe-box a little, when walking, but I don't know if that's a length or width issue, and the new discovery about half sizes really makes it more confusing. Does this mean an 8.5F would be the same as an 8G? I thought I needed one of those sizes but if they're actually the same...I am confused.
     
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    Ok so I've had my RMWs for a couple weeks now (only worn them out once or twice) and I'm fairly sure they are not the right size. If they were going to break in enough to not feel excessively tight on my feet I think they would have done so by now. I'm going to be in NYC next week, and I'm gonna go to the RMW store and try on whatever I can to hopefully find my ideal size before I reorder, but in the meantime...

    Anyone interested in a barely worn pair of Chestnut Craftsman (Yearling leather) in size 8F? I'm sure we can work out a good price, as It's been a few weeks so I won't really notice the loss, and there are scuffs on the sole because I did wear them out of the apartment a couple times thinking they'd stretch to be comfortable. PM me and I can take pics or whatever.

    I'm wondering if anyone can give me a description of how these should feel in the ideal size. As in, I can tell if they're too big but I obviously had trouble telling when they were too small. And my outer toes seem to hit the side of the toe-box a little, when walking, but I don't know if that's a length or width issue, and the new discovery about half sizes really makes it more confusing. Does this mean an 8.5F would be the same as an 8G? I thought I needed one of those sizes but if they're actually the same...I am confused.


    For reference, what size do you wear in AE Park Avenue?
     
  8. TheOneTrueMatt

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    For reference, what size do you wear in AE Park Avenue?

    Well, here's the thing. I measure a 9.5D, and the guy at AE ended up fitting me for a 9C. Hence my ordering an 8F in RMWs. I once tried on an 8G in RMW last time I was in NYC and they felt fine, but at the time I wouldn't trust myself to not buy shoes too large since I wasn't familiar w/the idea of good shoes being snug to stretch at first. My ankles are really narrow, but the ball of my foot is wide (hence 9.5D but some regular width shoes allowing too much heel movement).
     
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    Well, here's the thing. I measure a 9.5D, and the guy at AE ended up fitting me for a 9C. ........My ankles are really narrow, but the ball of my foot is wide (hence 9.5D but some regular width shoes allowing too much heel movement).

    that's pretty confusing. So the 9C Park Avenue fits great for you?
     
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    Ok so I've had my RMWs for a couple weeks now (only worn them out once or twice) and I'm fairly sure they are not the right size. If they were going to break in enough to not feel excessively tight on my feet I think they would have done so by now. I'm going to be in NYC next week, and I'm gonna go to the RMW store and try on whatever I can to hopefully find my ideal size before I reorder, but in the meantime...


    I'm wondering if anyone can give me a description of how these should feel in the ideal size. As in, I can tell if they're too big but I obviously had trouble telling when they were too small. And my outer toes seem to hit the side of the toe-box a little, when walking, but I don't know if that's a length or width issue, and the new discovery about half sizes really makes it more confusing. Does this mean an 8.5F would be the same as an 8G? I thought I needed one of those sizes but if they're actually the same...I am confused.


    Don't know if it helps but I bought a pair of Chestnut Turnouts in 8.5 G recently when I usually take a 9. First 2 weeks they felt too narrow around the middle and were really pinching. Kept with it and went for a few walks and they are fine now.
     
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    I have only just discovered it. I notice however that it does not hold true for Edward Green. Then again I have been wondering for a while if they use a US sizing system with the stamped UK size being a conversion of the US size.


    My sincere compliments to stator on correcting his guide. think his contributions here are outstanding. And im glad he turned us on to this outstanding made brand. I am starting to get concerned here myself. I aded these comments as an aid to help anyone else considerng a purchase.

    I normally wear a 9D park avenue. AFter trying on a few pairs at the nyc store i ordered an 8F yearling comfort craftsman. I currently breaking that pair in. The first couple of wears were foolproof. Quite comfortable. I wore them today and now the large toe box seems to rub a bit. Now im not sure if got the right size either..lol

    Funny but as posted above I also recieved a forum special from nungar.These are a 8.5F. I was hoping they would be a bit longer. I have not worn these outside yet as im hoping to see what goes with the yearling.

    I think the bottom line here is that you need to determine if rubbing is lenght or width issue. For myself, now im wondering if i should have tried the FSM in the 9.
     
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    that's pretty confusing. So the 9C Park Avenue fits great for you?

    That's what the AE sales guy said, and it certainly felt the most snug all around. I think the only reason the D was too wide in AEs was because of my narrow heels, so there was heel movement that there shouldn't be.

    Don't know if it helps but I bought a pair of Chestnut Turnouts in 8.5 G recently when I usually take a 9. First 2 weeks they felt too narrow around the middle and were really pinching. Kept with it and went for a few walks and they are fine now.

    That's kind of what I'm hoping will happen, but I'm afraid to put too much wear on them incase I need to sell them, and you really don't get much break-in out of sitting around the house in them. Also I noticed on the two walks I did take in them they always felt tight at first but sometimes while walking were fine. But then it felt like my toes (just the outside ones) were maybe bumping the toe box a little (but again on the side so still don't know if it's really a length issue), so I'm not 100% sure whether it's more of a width or length thing. It's also possible that I was simply paying too much attention to my feet and if I just didn't think about them so much while walking they might be fine. Well, I'm going to try some diff sizes on at RMW in NYC this week, and when I get back I'll try to give the ones I have a little more chance to break in before I sell them.
     
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    I have just received a quote from Steve at Nungar Trading for a MTO Stockmans Buckle Boot in Whiskey. Do you blokes reckon that it would look alright, or would you suggest that the Craftsman is the better way to go?
     
  14. Sator

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    Go for the Craftsman. I find buckle boots a bit of a pain to put on as well as being a bit busier looking. Chelseas are RMWs speciality and they really do them well.
     
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    I see bootsonline has reduced their RM Williams prices a bit, they imply you have to use this link:


    And they have a *terrific* custom model: chesnut with bone elastics and a natural sole. (You may have to go through the above link to get the reduced prices.)


    p.s. I'm not affiliated with bootsonline in any way, though I was a satisfied customer.
     

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