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RM Williams Boots - Everything You Wanted to Know

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Sator, Sep 18, 2006.

  1. Tidybeard

    Tidybeard Senior member

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    are those forum specials in whiskey? Or someother make up?

    No, they are the Yearling (not Craftsman Yearling) boot in Whiskey with leather sole. The reason for the MTO is that the Yearling normally comes with a block heel and I wanted a flat heel. I believe Whiskey is a special order in this model too. Link to stock Yearling here:

    http://www.rmwilliams.com.au/product...A35A9E61BD949A

    They have a "narrow" toe, which makes them quite sleek in my opinion. The Whiskey colour is gorgeous. Not quite as versatile as the Chestnut, but very nice.
     
  2. rabbity

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    I've got a pair of Comfort Turnouts which I bought back in Feb 2007. I now find that the heel is starting to split horizontally along the middle (ie not away from the boot but within the heel itself). The boots haven't had heavy use; I wear them a couple times a week. They do have to put up with the typically rainy winters in London, but thats one of the reasons I bought ones with the composite sole.

    I don't think its a big deal, I imagine that I can just glue it together again. However I wonder if anyone else has found this problem? Is it indicative of R M Williams quality or is it a one-off?
     
  3. fykchang

    fykchang Active Member

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    Sator or Someone help me with sizing RM William

    543 in size 9.5 F is too wide
    529 in Size 9.5 D is too narrow

    Would 543 in size 9F fit well? I know 529 in size 9.5E will fit well but I prefer the square Chesel toe?

    BTW, I am a EG 888 size 9.5/10 D.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  4. teddy-c

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    I'm a tall thin guy with wide hips, so I tend to wear straight or boot-cut jeans and trousers -- to balance out my proportions.

    I like the look of the Craftsman, but would they look too dainty with boot-cut jeans. In photos they look a bit mod/sleek/Beatles-ish. Do they only look right with slim-cut or tapered trousers?

    Thanks for any advice.
     
  5. skalogre

    skalogre Senior member

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    I'm a tall thin guy with wide hips, so I tend to wear straight or boot-cut jeans and trousers -- to balance out my proportions.

    I like the look of the Craftsman, but would they look too dainty with boot-cut jeans. In photos they look a bit mod/sleek/Beatles-ish. Do they only look right with slim-cut or tapered trousers?

    Thanks for any advice.


    They look fine. I wear my RMW with SD-105 all the time [​IMG]
     
  6. Mugnut

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    I found this MTO Craftsman online, and this represents very much the direction I want to go in a Craftsman-style RMW. Looks like a Craftsman in a slightly heavier brown/dark tan leather (maybe Vesta?), with a leather sole and multi-piece heel. The welt-stitching also looks more prominent/burlier than standard on the Craftsman.

    Can anyone help me with the specs I would need to MTO a similar Craftsman? Put differently, what would you need to change from a Standard Craftsman to achieve this result?
    [​IMG]
     
  7. vinouspleasure

    vinouspleasure Senior member

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    My first recommendation for many forum members will be a pair of chestnut kangaroo Craftsman. Those wanting a sleeker look will be pleased with the Turnout in yearling leather (if you choose a narrow width). Those wanting a slightly more casual look should consider the Yearling. Anyone wanting a jodhpur boot should not hesitate in ordering the Stockman boot, although it will NOT be a wholecut. If you want other combinations of heel style, lasts and leathers you will need to put in a custom order. Try emailing Steve for a quote:
    - Why wouldn't the first recommendation be the forum special? - It seems like the first boot most people order are yearling in brown? - I like the whiskey color but would like to have something I can wear with a suit. How does whiskey work with (navy and charcoal) suits? - Is my best bet for size stopping in at the store in nyc? tia, jd
     
  8. vinouspleasure

    vinouspleasure Senior member

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    sent an email to steve, the forum special is now $340 AUD + $50 AUD shipping. Works out to around $350 USD. Not sure this is still a value play.
     
  9. skalogre

    skalogre Senior member

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    sent an email to steve, the forum special is now $340 AUD + $50 AUD shipping. Works out to around $350 USD. Not sure if this is still a value play.

    Wow, the exchange rate is hammering the price...
     
  10. Tarmac

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    Wow, I think Craftsman have always costed $350 at Australia Fair in SF
     
  11. vinouspleasure

    vinouspleasure Senior member

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    Wow, the exchange rate is hammering the price...

    not really. When Satort originally negotiated the deal almost exactly one year ago, the cost was $285 AUD. Steve has raised his price $55AUD in one year, a 19% increase. The increased currency cost is about 13% over the same time period.

    It will be interesting to see what prices are like in the nyc store. I'll post tomorrow.
     
  12. Singular

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    I read the thread yesterday and had a look on the 'Bay for a pair of Craftsmans (Craftsmen?), but found nothing. Went into one of the local "higher end" men's stores today to have a chat with a friend working there and noticed two pairs of RMWs in the sale section; one pair of far too large black Yardboots and one pair of brown Craftsm...whatever-boots, halv a size down from my normal...

    ...at ~$200. Didn't take too long to decide... [​IMG]

    /M
     
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    If the price has gone up, this makes my fitting decision easier. I can just buy them locally. I only want the standard comfort craftsman (fell out of love with the forum special)
     
  14. vinouspleasure

    vinouspleasure Senior member

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    called the rm williams store in nyc:

    craftsman in yearling, $349, kangaroo, $359, calf $450
     
  15. vinouspleasure

    vinouspleasure Senior member

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    and here is current pricing from steve.

    Prices do not include $50Aud shipping:

    1. Yearling Craftsman's Core $265.00 MTO $285.00 (Core $284 USD shipped)
    2. Kangaroo Craftsman's Core $260.00 MTO $285.00 (Core $280 USD shipped)
    3. French Veal Calf MTO $340.00 ($352 USD shipped)


    significant discounts still to be had by ordering from steve, even after exchange rate. I'm guessing that the price for French Veal Calf has increased and that's driven the price of the forum special up.
     
  16. fykchang

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    Tidybeard, Can you tell me the fit difference in the 543 and 555 last? Do you go with the same size for both?

    Thanks
     
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    Tidybeard Senior member

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    Tidybeard, Can you tell me the fit difference in the 543 and 555 last? Do you go with the same size for both?

    Thanks


    Hi,

    From what I can gather, the Craftsman is on the 543, the Yard Boot is on the 530 and the Yearling on the 522. I went with the same size (10.5G) for the Craftsman and the Yearling and 10G for the Yard boot, which seemed to fit better in the half size smaller (probably due to the wider toe box).

    The difference between the Crafsman and the Yearling is minmal - the Yearling is a little snugger in the toe, mainly because of the more pointed shape.

    All three fit very well out of the box and are extremely comfortable but it's certainly worth trying each model on if you can.

    Hope this helps.

    Edit - Just checked the boxes and I'm correct on the Yard Boot and Craftsman, but the Whiskey box says "MTO Elastic Sided Yearling - Whiskey" and the last is B555Y...which I think makes them the MacQuarie after all. Even though the spec sheet here : http://www.rmwilliams.com.au/product...C25838DE1C017F lists the MacQuarie as having a square toe......confused yet? Anyway, I stand by my comments about fit, they are very similar.
     
  18. fykchang

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    Hi,

    From what I can gather, the Craftsman is on the 543, the Yard Boot is on the 530 and the Yearling on the 522. I went with the same size (10.5G) for the Craftsman and the Yearling and 10G for the Yard boot, which seemed to fit better in the half size smaller (probably due to the wider toe box).

    The difference between the Crafsman and the Yearling is minmal - the Yearling is a little snugger in the toe, mainly because of the more pointed shape.

    All three fit very well out of the box and are extremely comfortable but it's certainly worth trying each model on if you can.

    Hope this helps.

    Edit - Just checked the boxes and I'm correct on the Yard Boot and Craftsman, but the Whiskey box says "MTO Elastic Sided Yearling - Whiskey" and the last is B555Y...which I think makes them the MacQuarie after all. Even though the spec sheet here : http://www.rmwilliams.com.au/product...C25838DE1C017F lists the MacQuarie as having a square toe......confused yet? Anyway, I stand by my comments about fit, they are very similar.

    Thanks for the help.
     
  19. TKDKid

    TKDKid Senior member

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    I popped into Swaine Adeney Brigg today and noticed that they had these Ariat riding boots on sale:

    [​IMG]

    What's interesting about them is that they're basically wholecut chelsea boots. These are of course designed for riding rather than regular day-to-day wear, and the internal construction is very different to that of RM Williams' offerings.

    Having said that, it makes me wonder why we don't see more wholecut chelsea boots from other shoemakers. [​IMG]
     
  20. Mugnut

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    Having received my Yard boots this weekend, just wanted to post my thoughts on them, esp. with respect to sizing.

    I got the Yard boot to replace (or at least complement) a nearly 10 year old pair of chestnut Blundstone 500's. The Blundstone's have done yeoman's duty, and were daily wearers for me for several winters in a New England biz/cas environment. At this point, the Blunnies are seriously bagged out, the gussets are pretty shot, and they have stretched so much that I have put Green superfeet in them to take up some volume, but they still accomodate thicker socks. They are size 8.5 Australian (I am a standard US 9D).

    The RMW Yard boots are far more refined than their Blundstone cousins. While they are facially similar, they're really totally different boots. I am surpised by the sleekness of the RMW - I expected something a little burlier/chunkier as it is a work boot. I went with 8G Australian, utilizing the quick and dirty "drop one full size from AUS to US." Much has been made of the width of the RMW - but I will add this: these boots, worn with thinnish dress socks in width "G" do not feel in the slightest bit wide. If anything, they feel pretty narrow. The Blundstones are significantly wider, and were from the get-go.

    I would characterize the 8G fit on my US 9D feet as "very snug." They will undoutedly stretch, and the fit does not seem too tight, but there is no way I could stuff thicker socks into these. I would suggest that if you are looking to wear these as work boots with heavier socks that you consider ordering a size and width up. As I am wearing these predominantly for winter wear to and at the office, the snug fit is okay. The scuzzy old Blunnies can still handle the nasty muddy chore boot role.

    An interesting phenomenon is that these boots look much smaller on the foot than you would think they would. They are the same length as the blundstone in 8 1/2, and about the same as a pair of Alden LHS I have hanging out under my desk - but they wear far sleeker and apparently smaller on the foot than the Blundstone or even my usual size 9 dress shoes. Kinda strange.

    I'll try to post pics. at some point for a face to face comparison with some well-broken in Blundstones . . . but wanted to add some additional data b/c I could not find any sizaing info on the Web specific to the Yard boot itself.
     

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