How much did they set you back as MTO? (If you don't mind my asking...) I could probably look back in the thread and see if the answer is there already, but, well, I've already posted this q, so... EDIT: I think I'm going to get me a pair with the rubber soles. That color is gorgeous. Did I mention that? Same price as the others, about $240 depending on fx rate ($239.11 to be exact on this pair) shipped to my door. I need to find out if they do a dainite sole, that might be interesting for a suede pair. Steve at Nungar is a good bloke.