Reverse full windsor knot technique that starts with seam facing out?

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  1. Svenn

    Svenn Senior member

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    The normal full windsor knot technique you see on the internet starts with the tie around your neck and the seam of the tie facing inwards, the presentable side facing out. A friend however showed me his way of tying it where the seam faces outward at the beginning. The result gave a MUCH better full windsor than the conventional one- it was much more compact and triangular... whereas the conventional one tends to have a looser trapezoidal appearance. I've tried to mimic what he did but I can't do it, anyone know how to do this 'reverse full windsor'? I've found at least one other comment on the internet saying it was the 'better' way of tying it.
    (note: i'm not talking about the weird "Ediety knot", the knot I'm referencing looks like a normal windsor at the end)
     
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    nohomo Senior member

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    Dr.Teatime Well-Known Member

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    I believe this is called a Shelby. Used to be quite popular... rather lost now. please post pics when you can...
     
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    Stereojeff Well-Known Member

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    ...or Pratt. In my experience it has the same volume as a half-Windsor.

    Jeff
     
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    fxh Senior member

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    I tie a knot that would seem to be the same as the wrong side out start you describe.

    I have got so used to it that its now the only knot I can use. Once you get used to it it is easy to do unconsciously and well, whilst not even looking.

    It isn't as thick as a full Windsor and it seems to stay up at the neckline much better than any other knot.

    I always called it the "USA TV presenter knot" and I believe there is a description of it and how to on the net.

    Sadly any Google search I do on it now turns up news items of TV presenters getting married.
     
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    fxh Senior member

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    Seems I'm at least half right:

    The Pratt Knot, also called the Shelby Knot, was invented by Jerry Pratt, who had been wearing his tie with a Pratt knot for many years before it became popularized by TV personality Don Shelby. Mr. Shelby, who would wear his necktie with a Pratt knot while delivering the evening news looked good day in and day out and quickly had many men seeking instructions on how to tie the Pratt knot. Once you learn how to tie the Pratt knot you will come to appreciate its symmetry and that it is simple to tie. The Pratt knot is medium sized, symmetrical knot to be worn with medium and wide collar shirt openings. Quick to tie and good looking the Pratt knot uses less tie length than the Half-Windsor knot, which make it excellent for tall men.

    and:
    were would we be without wiki

    It is also known as the Shelby knot and the Pratt-Shelby. The knot was invented by Jerry Pratt, an employee of the US Chamber of Commerce. He had been wearing his tie in the Pratt knot for some twenty years before it became popular after TV personality Don Shelby wore it on air. The New York fashion press then promptly (and mistakenly) attributed the invention of the knot to Shelby.

    The Pratt knot is unusual in that its starting position is 'reverse side out', as does the Nicky knot. It uses less length than the Half Windsor or Windsor knots, and so is well suited to shorter ties. Unlike the Four in Hand knot, the Pratt method produces a symmetrical knot. It is of medium thickness.

    See also: Encyclopedia of Tie Knots

    and

    Open Directory on necktie knots
     
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    AB01 Senior member

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    I always use the Pratt knot. Just make sure your collar covers completely so no one knows your tie is inside out.
    People think I am wearing a Windsor knot when they see my Pratt knot.
     
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    My Grandfather, who was born in Aberdeen in 1900, taught my father a tie knot called the reverse Windsor. Jerry Pratt taught T.V. personality Don Shelby the knot, and it became know as the Pratt the Shelby or to twist it, the Pratt-Shelby. The knot has also been know in Italy. But I say, it is the Scottish reaction to the Windsor. It is a reverse of the Windsor that ends up being tight symmetrical sliding knot, easy to pull on and off, neat, strategic and wee bit subversive.

    To tie a correct Reverse Windsor ... just look up a Pratt or Shelby.
     
  10. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    I've used a Pratt for a number of years now. If you're fond of a truly symmetrical knot it has all the others beat hands down IMO.
     
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    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    Until I was 20, I only knew how to tie my tie backward, such that after getting the long end through the knot, I had to take the tie off over my head, turn it around with the right side facing out, and put it back on again. I don't think that's what you're asking for.
     
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    Yup- symmetrical and not ridiculously fat like a windsor. The only time I ever use anything else is when I have a tie with a lot of volume like a knit or a thick wool, where I use the four in hand.
     
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    nvm
     
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    Are people here meaning wearing the skinny side alone out?
     
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    No.
     

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