Retail's prejudice against the slim

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by imageWIS, Apr 18, 2005.

  1. FIHTies

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    (FIHTies @ April 18 2005,17:00)
    36 Shorts are the coolest people around.. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Which kind of puts the topic of this thread and Steven's correct comments into perspective. This issue isnt about slim its actually about short.
    I don't see chaps who are 5'10" with a 42 inch chest and a 32 inch waist too thrilled with their RTW options either.
    While that is certainly correct that is not the issue that started this thread. The complaint about sizing is that "mens" RTW sizing typically begins at 38R (with a 6 drop for a 32 pant). Anyone under that number and proportion 36R/30 pant 34R/28 Pant is basically in a boys size according to most major brand designers. I carry these sizes for the simple reason that my main business is "Kids" clothing and we have brought in Young Mens and Young womens sizing simply to keep the customers that we already have as long as we can. Thats why my Suit sizing begins at 34 and ends at 42 and in meeting a demand I will bring in 34S and 36S as well. I am not by any means a full scale men's retailer when it comes to suits. Of course any individual who goes out of the typical drop of 6 will have problems. Perhaps we can start a thread, "Retail's prejudice against Athletic's" or something like that... [​IMG] [​IMG]
     


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    Well, I'm 5'11.999999 (As near to 6' as I could be without being 6'), 210 lbs, 46 inch chest and 38 inch waist, and the BB shirts that I wore religiously until the last year or so fit like sails on me. I imagine they might fit if I put on an additional forty pounds.
     


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    Sh.t... Remind me not to get into an argument with you.
     


  4. Bergdorf Goodwill

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    Yes, certainly there is some RTW for the slender, but it has a tendency to be cut "generously," to say the least.

    I doin't understand why anyone would want to wear a sack suit ever, much less someone who's built athletically or has a thin build.

    Obviously one could argue that the "fuller" cut will make you look "bulkier," but in actuality it'll make you look like one or a combination of the following:

    1. child playing dress-up
    2. obnoxious little nerd
    3. man with no sense of proportion
    4. man with something to hide

    If none of that's true, then why bother? The idea of shopping in the children's section is wholly ridiculous for the most part when it comes to something with so many measurements which need to be "on," as is the case with a suit. I have plenty of T-shirts that were originally intended for children, but a T-shirt is a T-shirt in most instances.
     


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    Jon,

    Am I correct to presume that the sizes on your website are American and not European? If so, whilst I like the look of your sweaters and am wanting to purchase one to try it out, there does not seem to be any in my size.

    Jon.
     


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    I also need 16.5 and 36 and also find that the shirts that fit my collar and arms are tents. Worse yet I found a grand total of three places where I can get these. So all my recent shirts are MTM.

    Mathieu, in a small country of small people
     


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    Concerning the lack of small sizes: I think it is the manufacturers not the stores which are to blame. Singaporeans are rather short and slim but stores in Singapore generally don't have anything smaller than 38 or so. I guess that they lose quite a bit of business because of that, so if smaller sizes were widely available to the stores they would make them widely available to their customers.

    Concerning the tents: There have been trends towards the baggy (rappers, skaters) in recent years so this may be an contribution. But I think that the main reason is that people are more likely to buy something to baggy than something to tight. Make the shirts slimmer and you lose more business from the fat than you get from the new thin customers.

    Mathieu
     


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    Incorrect... Sizes are European, and if you want exact measurements for any particular sweater I would be more than glad to do so. PS: Dont you live in Boca, FL? As in very hot close to the Equator Boca??? [​IMG]
     


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    (imageWIS @ April 18 2005,22:10) Jon, Am I correct to presume that the sizes on your website are American and not European? If so, whilst I like the look of your sweaters and am wanting to purchase one to try it out, there does not seem to be any in my size. Jon.
    Incorrect... Sizes are European, and if you want exact measurements for any particular sweater I would be more than glad to do so. PS: Dont you live in Boca, FL? As in very hot close to the Equator Boca??? [​IMG]
    A) it does get chilly enough to use sweaters in the winter B) I do travel Just to be clear: Size: 44 Size: 46 Size: 48 Size: 50 Size: 52 Size: 56 Really equals: Size: 34 Size: 36 Size: 38 Size: 40 Size: 42 Size: 46 ? Jon.
     


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    Addition to above post ^ : sizes on your website.

    Jon.
     


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    I think its all about inventory, and controlling costs. The more sizes you have, the more it costs. And, the fact is that an overwhelming majority of americans are overweight rather than slim. What's the point of stocking sizes if there isn't an audience for it?
     


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    There are enough slim people to justify at least some production. After all there is a reason why The GAP makes almost everything available in XS.

    Jon.
     


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    I have heard however that in Japan small sizes are abound.

    Jon.
     


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    Correct.

    Again... I will measure any sweater you want me to.
     


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    Hmm well if you don't want to look into the boys 'dept. consider vintage. People used to be smaller and there are some beautiful pieces out there.
     


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