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Results of a healthy diet experiment and cost

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by username79, Apr 16, 2010.

  1. username79

    username79 Senior member

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    Haha, the world aint 100% black and white! Alcohol is just about like everything else; it's ok in moderation. Have a couple drinks on the weekend if you want to, just don't booze it up and expect your body to reward you. For someone who is serious about keeping a diet and eating clean it's a no -brainer to scale back on the alcohol.

    While you can probably drink as much you want under calorie deficit, I do find excessive drinking at odds with a healthy lifestyle. I used to go out and drink 5 nights a week, now I'm down to one and feel much 'clearer' throughout the day.
     
  2. nioh

    nioh Senior member

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    While you can probably drink as much you want under calorie deficit, I do find excessive drinking at odds with a healthy lifestyle. I used to go out and drink 5 nights a week, now I'm down to one and feel much 'clearer' throughout the day.

    On the contrary, alcohol affects the fat-burning process as detoxication gets priority over fat-burning. Hence, all else being equal, if you're looking to lose weight, minimize your alcohol consumption.
     
  3. Crane's

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    The only point you make is you're a pompous self righteous asshole who thinks their shit doesn't stink.

    Here's a list of meats in my freezer.

    Wild Quail
    Wild Turkey
    Wild Pheasant
    Wild Trout
    Wild Salmon
    Wild Crappie
    Wild Catfish
    Wild Sunfish
    Wild Venison
    Domestically raised Black Angus beef pasture fed and processed per my instructions.

    You don't eat better than I do slick.

    I will give you the courtesy and say at least you are on the right track food wise. Other than that you don't have a clue about eating to cut weight or how to maintain/build muscle mass. You think your healthy diet is doing you good but based on your stats, level of activity and your goals you've completely missed the boat and it shows. BTW how many grams a day of protein are you eating? Do you even know? What do you need to accomplish your 5x5 lifting goals? How about trace elements and vitamins? Getting enough?

    Yeah I might live in the country but that doesn't mean I'm a dumb fucking hick like you think I am.








    Really?

    As I've said numerous times, I am VERY aware I could have achieved some of the same results (e.g. weight loss, etc.) for the same cost. I could eat a 500 calories deficit on $2-3 dollars a day. Yes, but how many times do I have to say this: that was not the fucking point!. You cannot eat the same foods that I do for "significantly less cost" because you fail to factor in anything but the end cost of the product.

    You said that you kill and or grow all your own food. Good for you. This is not practical where I live. Where you live, the nearest and most significant attraction for miles is the interstate. There are other things to do here, and the opportunity cost of not participating in them is far greater than missing an evening of moose watching and western grip handjobs. Then you suggested that people should grow their own tomatoes on a window sill, etc. Yes, I can spend $30 (or more) on soil, water, seeds, fertilizer, insecticide, a planter, etc. and have a yield of ten tomatoes in a several months and hope they taste good. Or, I can go to the market and spend less on the same amount of tomatoes in five minutes. You cannot compete with economies of scale of a supermarket when you factor in time, convenience, and distance traveled. It is enormously reductive to simply compare one factor (oh, they're now "free" six months later because I planted them). Therefore for many of the things I eat I am coincidentally paying the lowest cost based on my location and effort.

    Do you have access locally to the following foods that I've eaten in the last week, for significantly less prices then I paid?

    Wild Alaskan Salmon
    Halibut (fresh caught, never frozen)
    Rockfish (fresh caught, never frozen)
    Chilean Sea Bass (from a sustainable Georgian fishery)
    USDA graded prime filets
    Fresh Lobster from Maine off the boat the same day
    Certified organic milk
    A lobe of Foie Gras from Hudson Valley
    A flat of strawberries
    Fresh tropical fruit (Kiwis, Mangos, Pineapples, Papayas, Bananas)

    I very much doubt it.

    You have no point. I could drive into the country, shoot a deer (I'd have to borrow a gun or maybe pick up of those axes in Tribeca and attempt to throw it at the deer), somehow put it in the partially functional back seat of my coupe, attempt to cut it up and eat. But I don't want to. I have no interest in doing so. I own none of the equipment to do so and the cost of purchasing said equipment would quickly eliminate any value proposition. I certainly respect that you a) own the equipment to do so b) have the interest in doing so c) have the skills to do so d) have the time to do so. A, B, C, D aggregate to make genuine cost, which for me, would be far more expensive than what I am spending now.

    Finally, there is the element of social responsibility. I actively seek to support venues which place an emphasis on fair employee compensation, proper benefits, community involvement and outreach, etc. I have no problem paying more for an identical product sold in a place that treats its employees fairly. I know that for fruit, I pay approximately 25% more than I would down the street at the store where employees are paid approximately half and are not eligible for benefits. Not sure how many times I can say it: cost was NOT the point.
     
  4. username79

    username79 Senior member

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    I will give you the courtesy and say at least you are on the right track food wise. Other than that you don't have a clue about eating to cut weight or how to maintain/build muscle mass. You think your healthy diet is doing you good but based on your stats, level of activity and your goals you've completely missed the boat and it shows. BTW how many grams a day of protein are you eating? Do you even know? What do you need to accomplish your 5x5 lifting goals? How about trace elements and vitamins? Getting enough?
    Note that I never said I eat better than you. My point was that you are incorrect that you can eat the same foods for cheaper since you were only calculating the end cost per food and not the costs associated with hunting, fishing, transporting, and storing when applied to my application. Therefore your assumption that you pointed something out to me that I was not aware of was completely false. No need to get all riled up because you made a thoroughly ill thought out argument. As for your other questions: yesterday I consumed an estimated 187g of protein. Yes. I am eating to accomplish goals. I have a spreadsheet of vitamins and other nutrients per foods consumed (remember one point of this exercise was to obtain all necessary nutrients/vitamins at or exceeding recommended daily values through whole foods without the use of supplementation or multivitamins). Yes. Note that goals vary from person to person and mine may not be the same as yours or even what you think mine should be. The first person to come across as a self righteous pompous asshole was you. You basically called me stupid while forgetting significant factors that differ between our situations, environments, and individual goals.
     
  5. rjmaiorano

    rjmaiorano Senior member

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    Trying to be healthy and follow a diet while continuing to drink is counterproductive. Not only is alcohol loaded with calories (a single shot of liqueur can contain anywhere from 115-200 calories) it also lowers testosterone and dramatically slows your bodies ability to burn fat.

    I'll be ok.
     
  6. HEARTLESS-531

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    Great job, amigo. Very inspirational. What about booze? Wine? Did you drink during this time?
     
  7. Mr Herbert

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    username, what did you use to track vitamins etc?

    i did a similar experiment last year and my goals were 2000cal / day, 200g of protein per day and to hit all the vitamin and mineral targets as defined by fitday every day.

    the only way i found it possible was to eat loads of vegetables (more than i have ever eaten in my life, im talking 500g of brocolli, quarter of a cabbage etc) and lean meats.

    it was eye opening to how 'empty' rice, pasta, bread etc are in terms of nutrients and how they have no place in a healthy diet - shame they taste so good.
     
  8. Lowndes

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    The only point you make is you're a pompous self righteous asshole who thinks their shit doesn't stink. Here's a list of meats in my freezer. Wild Quail Wild Turkey Wild Pheasant Wild Trout Wild Salmon Wild Crappie Wild Catfish Wild Sunfish Wild Venison Domestically raised Black Angus beef pasture fed and processed per my instructions. You don't eat better than I do slick. I will give you the courtesy and say at least you are on the right track food wise. Other than that you don't have a clue about eating to cut weight or how to maintain/build muscle mass. You think your healthy diet is doing you good but based on your stats, level of activity and your goals you've completely missed the boat and it shows. BTW how many grams a day of protein are you eating? Do you even know? What do you need to accomplish your 5x5 lifting goals? How about trace elements and vitamins? Getting enough? Yeah I might live in the country but that doesn't mean I'm a dumb fucking hick like you think I am.
    Remember who start criticizing who first. The guy simply posted about something that he enjoys and for some reason you feel the need to take the time to criticize him. The more you post the more you come across as a "dumb fucking hick" and a "self righteous asshole".
     
  9. sonick

    sonick Senior member

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    This thread never fails to stop giving. Love it.
     
  10. why

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    On the contrary, alcohol affects the fat-burning process as detoxication gets priority over fat-burning. Hence, all else being equal, if you're looking to lose weight, minimize your alcohol consumption.

    Let's think about this.

    Eat a few strips of bacon: 300 calories
    Have two beers: 300 calories

    Now, which one causes more energy to enter the body?
     
  11. Hartmann

    Hartmann Senior member

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    Let's think about this.

    Eat a few strips of bacon: 300 calories
    Have two beers: 300 calories

    Now, which one causes more energy to enter the body?


    Depends on if you're cutting or bulking, you see,
     
  12. Fallen Angels

    Fallen Angels Senior member

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    Yeah I might live in the country but that doesn't mean I'm a dumb fucking hick like you think I am.

    damn, really? you sure are sounding like one right now.


    Remember who start criticizing who first. The guy simply posted about something that he enjoys and for some reason you feel the need to take the time to criticize him.

    The more you post the more you come across as a "dumb fucking hick" and a "self righteous asshole".


    quoted for truth.
     
  13. Piobaire

    Piobaire Senior member

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    I was going to suggest you don't respond to the h8ters, username, but I see you told Kyle you enjoy it. I understand, more power to that part of the thread.

    I think you folks criticizing him need to lighten up. This is a web board all about spending egregious amounts of money on stuff the general population might find questionable. They guy has the time and spare change to do a project like this, let him enjoy it.

    To the project, I will agree that some of the menu seems pretty boring. If you're happy with it, forge on. If you get bored, consider going further and doing some more involved things, like I do with sausage, etc.

    As to the thought you can't consume material amounts of alcohol and lose weight? Yeah, just hit the 46# off mark from last August. Moved 90% of my consumption from spirits to wine, but I now drink more days per week than I have in a long time. On average, three glasses of red wine a night. Never felt better, weight just keeps coming off, and I seem to be maintaining lean body mass pretty well.
     
  14. Grayland

    Grayland Senior member

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    username79,
    Have you considered tinkering with your fitness plan at all? You're having good results, but eventually, fitness plans get stale. I see you run 5 miles every other day. Maybe throw in some interval work or sprints occasionally? Maybe try something other than the 5X5 lifting plan?
     
  15. milosz

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    2am Sunday morning will mark the two-week point for me - no smoking, no booze (for the first month), no Cokes or desserts, I've even cut out most of my fruit intake since I was eating it as dessert at night. I had a sample of sea salt ciabatta bread at Whole Foods yesterday and nearly busted a nut. But I'm actually happy with my diet - I love fresh, crisp romaine and spinach, and I'm upping my meat portions. Eating an extra 6oz of seared tuna beats the shit out of bread.

    Down just about 15 pounds in those two weeks. I'm sure the first ten is water weight, but I'm feeling a lot better than I was (daily cardio intervals is probably helping on that count as well).
     
  16. kwilkinson

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    Username, I have a proposition for you. You hire me for $1200 a month, and I will cook all your food for you. That way you can save time and spend more time doing... whatever you do. Willing to relocate, not willing to give happy endings (on most occasions).
     
  17. milosz

    milosz Senior member

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    At $1200/month, I assume he's going to have to pay your rent as well?
     
  18. why

    why Senior member

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    At $1200/month, I assume he's going to have to pay your rent as well?

    Nope, just buy a queen bed.
     
  19. kwilkinson

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    At $1200/month, I assume he's going to have to pay your rent as well?
    Fack I forgot that he lives in NYC. Make that $2200 a month. Worthwhile investment, IMO.
    Nope, just buy a queen bed.
    I dunno. When Metro and I asked for his pictures, he didn't post any. I need to see first. I've got high standards for a fatty.
     
  20. Alter

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    Fack I forgot that he lives in NYC. Make that $2200 a month. Worthwhile investment, IMO.

    Does $2200 include hunting and farming, as well as the cooking?
     

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