Regulated Dress.

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  1. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    I'm reminded of a quote I saw in The Boutonniere book: "Never take a job that requires you to take off your jacket. It is likely underpaying and injurious to your health".
     


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    Thomas Senior member

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    My first three years were spent in a tech firm that modeled its dress code after early IBM - dark suits, white button-down shirts, striped ties. Our manager wrote a binder's worth of material on what to wear, where to buy, deals to be had, iron your own shirts or send them out? Very Dress for Success. Despite that, he was a very good manager.

    After three months I branched out to different looks, and was never reprimanded. The thing was - they regulated LOTS of aspects of behavior, and it turned out that they were smart enough to look at the overall balance of a person and not pick at one or two incidents.
     


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    Aside from requiring "business dress" we're pretty much left to our own devices. I did have to chide one of the VP's for razzing one of the juniors for wearing a pocket square though.
     


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    My first three years were spent in a tech firm that modeled its dress code after early IBM - dark suits, white button-down shirts, striped ties.
    I believe sock-suspenders are the most often-mentioned part of the IBM uniform. Did your firm's code include them?
     


  5. LabelKing

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    Early IBM--would that be the '60s since the company was founded in the 19th century.
     


  6. Chauncey Gardner

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    The worst regulations I've run up against are "casually dressy" because they really mean Kenneth Cole.

    In any case, I'm often considered "elitist" because I simply pay little attention to "fitting in" and dress very traditionally. It has never hurt me.


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    Reggs Senior member

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    Hell, my brother's trading room has a third washroom for the transgendered ... [​IMG]


    I believe here in California any public bathroom's labeling of Men's/Women's is only a suggestion, and therefor not regulated by law.
     


  8. LabelKing

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    Aside from requiring "business dress" we're pretty much left to our own devices. I did have to chide one of the VP's for razzing one of the juniors for wearing a pocket square though.

    That junior should have been promoted.
     


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    I don't know about other federal agencies, but we have a dress code here. During the summer months men are expected to wear business casual (long sleeve shirts but no tie or jacket required) and on Friday it is "casual." However, casual does not include shorts or jeans.

    The rest of the year men are expected to wear a jacket and tie (suit or sports coat, your choice). Fridays are business casual as above.

    One can wear business casual more often if you donate money to United Way.

    I'm not sure what the rules are for women. Of course they are suposed to follow the same guidelines as the men (as appropriate). I say that in an annoyed way because women seem to be able to wear about anything (flip flops, track suits with writing on the ass, etc.) and no one challenges them from what I see. It is ridiculous. It's the minority, but it looks horrible.

    LK mentioned not dressing better than your boss: I can't help it. He would give a huge chunk of his income to charity to be able to wear khakis and no tie.


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    Also, there's that domineering aspect of not outdressing your superiors.

    I've always found this a curious suggestion in the "How do I dress for my new job" threads. In my admittedly limited office experience, none of my superiors would even notice how I dressed, much less care if I somehow had higher-quality clothes than them. And in that case, I wonder how fragile the ego would have to be on a man who has risen to a VP-equivalent rank, is at least 20 years my senior, makes way, way more than me, and somehow thinks less of me because I wear better clothes than they do.

    Does anyone have any specific experiences where simply dressing well (not dressing flamboyantly or outside the range of the written or unwritten dress code) attracted ill-will from one's superiors or peers in the workplace?
     


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    Interesting--so females and males can intermingle?

    I believe here in California any public bathroom's labeling of Men's/Women's is only a suggestion, and therefor not regulated by law.

    Well, as I understand it the issue arose when the "he" in question had decided to undergo the necessary procedures to become "she". A separate washroom was required for him/her during the transition period. Now that the process is complete, I am not sure if it is still used for others experiencing gender confusion ... [​IMG]
     


  12. RJman

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    I wonder if it would be wise to wear three-pieces with a boutonniere in one of those ubiquitous law firms and trading firms that new members always ask about.
    Nowadays, I have the hunch that you could wear a three-piece with boutonniere and bowler, or a clown suit, and the higher-ups wouldn't care either way so long as your work got done.
     


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    Our president, as a hobby, owns a rather high end and very avant garde mens' clothing store. He wears a lot of his store's pieces, so theoretically one could get away with a lot here (when no clients are coming by).
     


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    Nowadays, I have the hunch that you could wear a three-piece with boutonniere and bowler, or a clown suit, and the higher-ups wouldn't care either way so long as your work got done.

    Have you worn that Persian lamb collared coat to the office?
     


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    Have you worn that fetal lamb collared coat to the office?
    Frequently.
     


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