Recent purchases - Part II

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by scott.m, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. RegisDB9

    RegisDB9 Rico Suave

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    LOL [​IMG] he can't help it people ^
     


  2. BlackToothedGrin

    BlackToothedGrin Senior member

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    Fair . Stop using indeed in the 21st century. Fair?
     


  3. Mesta

    Mesta Senior member

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    My recent purchases: [​IMG]
    Junya cardigan and sweater (f/w 10)
    Paul smith scarf
    Naked and famous double weave linen (bought today)
    oakstreet bootmakers, brown boat.

    Yep, Iphone 3g's quality is awful.
     


  4. Fuuma

    Fuuma Franchouillard Modasse

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    Fair . Stop using indeed in the 21st century. Fair?

    I dunno man, I used pretty simple language, it's not like I talked about the ethnogenesis of the Russian pepple and their patrilinear families practicing exogamy impacting the Russian revolution.
     


  5. nahneun

    nahneun Uncle Nephew

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    I'm not going to go into teaching mode but you are presenting a restrictive and indeed truncated view of social class, it is not merely a statement of wealth but a position within the structure of society that has indeed economic implications but also includes cultural and social elements that are more than important in the delimitation of an individual's position. For examples it does limit the real field of possibilities you have from your singular position but also the possibilities you can properly identify as such and act on.

    The united states have a particular take on social classes that has indeed been imported to other countries but to a much lesser extant; a concerted effort by conservatives forces has lead to the replacement of the rich/poor opposition by an intellectuals/common people dichotomy. This is why you can have millionaire politicians telling their constituency that they are like them cause they don't live in the silver towers of those intellectuals and they eat ketchup with their apple pies and don't like contemporary art or whatever. It is a very real switch and it cannot be explained away by purely economical analysis but by a replacement of old representations by new ones.

    By the way you need but to look to Japan to see a society in denial of the existence of social classes. A discourse negating through various strategies the existence of the later comes from conservative forces not socialists one btw, the later having their whole ideology based on exposing existing social structures linked to the distribution of power.


    the issue here, with your argument, is the fact that you are lumping social class (economic [upper/middle/lower stratification based on income] which becomes the issue at hand because the discussion is focused on consumption on two specific groups of luxury goods) with social status (culturally and/or politically social class). while the two are often intertwined, they are not always directly correlated. the best example of this would be that the president has a lot of social status, but is not at the top of the economic social class. ergo, in an argument where we are discussing the consumption habits (and perception of such habits) of the average america, economic social class holds far more weight than cultural social class.
     


  6. BlackToothedGrin

    BlackToothedGrin Senior member

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  7. Fuuma

    Fuuma Franchouillard Modasse

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    the issue here, with your argument, is the fact that you are lumping social class (economic [upper/middle/lower stratification based on income] which becomes the issue at hand because the discussion is focused on consumption on two specific groups of luxury goods) with social status (culturally and/or politically social class). while the two are often intertwined, they are not always directly correlated. the best example of this would be that the president has a lot of social status, but is not at the top of the economic social class. ergo, in an argument where we are discussing the consumption habits (and perception of such habits) of the average america, economic social class holds far more weight than cultural social class.

    No, perception of consumption and consumption itself is very much linked to a variety of factors that are not limited to money although the value of what you buy will be limited by money. Buying shit is like this never ending process of belonging and distinction.
     


  8. Fuuma

    Fuuma Franchouillard Modasse

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    Self-masturbation...

    Expand on that...
     


  9. nahneun

    nahneun Uncle Nephew

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    No, perception of consumption and consumption itself is very much linked to a variety of factors that are not limited to money although the value of what you buy will be limited by money. Buying shit is like this never ending process of belonging and distinction.

    i mean yes, we could apply infinitely many externalities but then that would make for a uselessly detailed model.
     


  10. AR_Six

    AR_Six "Sookie!"

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    I recall reading a study that compared the family lineage of American CEOs to that of Canadian and European CEOs. The percentage of Canadian and European CEOs whose fathers had also been a CEO was noticeably higher in these countries than it was in the US. The conclusion was that there likely exist more class barriers in these countries which prevent people from rising up. This is elitism.
    I'm not really following this debate but happened upon this comment and it's a good example of not knowing what you're talking about leading to incorrect conclusions. The reason that CEO-dom is more hereditary in Canada is because of the type of industry that is prevalent here. Family companies are much, much more common in Canada than in the U.S.; the corporate culture in this country has evolved differently. This is partly a product of culture generally, partly law, partly just geography and the fact that a lot of these companies are resource, and hence land-based - land being precisely the sort of thing that you'd expect to remain in an estate. Even our public companies are far more family oriented than those south of the border; people here seem more hesitant to give up significant stakes, and will retain much larger shareholding blocks - ie where in the US you might expect a company to be mostly widely held with some funds holding large chunks and insiders / officers / directors holding maybe 10% of issued equity, here you'll see massive companies where the founder still owns 30%. I'm working on a massive public takeover right now between two household-name companies where if it goes off it will be huge amounts of cash passing hands, and the reason it probably will go off is that the target's founder and his family are locked up and own more than a quarter of the outstanding commons. This is gradually becoming less the case, but as in most other things, we follow the U.S. trend far behind. In other words there is a whole lot more than "elitism" behind that data and in fact, you might argue that the smaller, tighter-knit closer-held concept of the corporate entity is significantly less elite since it often feels when working with these companies that they're behemoths trying to maintain some vestiges of their "mom and pop" beginnings.
     


  11. DLester

    DLester Senior member

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    Impulse buy but I really couldn't fucking help it. UGH SO HAPPY. Never wearing anything else on Sundays, literally this is all I will wear.

    Jil Colorblock Suit, s/s 09

    Sup Jetdawg?[/I]

    okay this is sick sick sick

    damn dood
     


  12. Fuuma

    Fuuma Franchouillard Modasse

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    i mean yes, we could apply infinitely many externalities but then that would make for a uselessly detailed model.

    1) They're not externalities, we're talking about the very definition and constitutive elements of social class.
    2) The model you propose does not properly explain what you discuss.
     


  13. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    ... in an argument where we are discussing the consumption habits (and perception of such habits) of the average america, economic social class holds far more weight than cultural social class.

    I doubt that this is true. The easiest way for a Styleforum member to see this is to look at the low number of high end boutiques that Chicago, for example, can sustain, compared to, say, LA, or even Boston, which is a much, much, smaller city.
     


  14. Fuuma

    Fuuma Franchouillard Modasse

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    I doubt that this is true. The easiest way for a Styleforum member to see this is to look at the low number of high end boutiques that Chicago, for example, can sustain, compared to, say, LA, or even Boston, which is a much, much, smaller city.

    I think simply stepping into Alan Bilzerian after having seen Atelier is simple enough.
     


  15. NameBack

    NameBack Senior member

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    Self-masturbation...

    fucking redundant?
     


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