Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by scott.m, Feb 1, 2010.
It's like from that song...
"Having money ain't everything. Not having it, is."
One of the truest things written in SW&D.
But I also think a person's background should be considered here. I know a few people who come from poor families that now have well-paying, but boring jobs. It's not so much that money is the most important thing to them. It's that this is the only route (short of becoming famous or slanging drugs) that they can finance cultural activities such as world traveling, fine dining, some of the arts, etc.
Holding a shit job and slumming it, yet being all cultured isn't quite as sexy when there's not a trust fund or family wealth hanging below as a safety net. I've known a few people who criticized people for taking traditional paths to making good money while completely overlooking the fact that the only reason they don't need to do the same is that they have rich parents. I don't begrudge someone who comes from wealthy means that allow them to kind of play around and explore, but most people aren't in that situation. For those people who want to see the world, eat at great restaurants, and all that, going into a vocation that pays well but isn't creatively fulfilling is usually the only way.
I don't have wealthy parents at all. I guess I'm fortunate in that I don't have a ton of student loans because my school paid for my tuition for me, but you don't have to get some shitty job in a cubicle in Springfield, USA just because you don't have a trust fund, that's absurd.
This is very fucking true.
It's also a mistake to believe your coworkers at job x must be worthless philistines or mindless gold-chasers or somehow less than human just because your interests don't happen to match up. Chances are, they are completely human, with equally ardent, but divergent, interests, and are probably even worthwhile, given half the chance. (If it helps, you can also remind yourself that Wallace Stevens worked in insurance, Bukowski was less a drunk than a model post office clerk, Chris Adrian is a doctor, Adam Haslett is -- gulp -- a lawyer, etc. ).
no, but if you have health issues like me you HAVE to have a job with good health benefits. so no working as a fashion designer/freelance writer, etc.
This seems fairly apt:
Spoiler: Part 2
I didn't say that, or at least didn't mean that. You asked why my job wasn't great and it's mostly because I don't really have much in common with anyone here, which has been true across several similar jobs.
Edit: ah ok
Yeah, sorry, I was thinking more of my own 22 year old self.
That's not what I said. My point was that for a lot of people who want to engage in the activities I mentioned, going into a line of work that pays well but isn't exactly riveting is usually the most secure way to go. And doesn't your original post about this line up with that? You come from modest means and have a job that you (possibly) don't find terribly fulfilling. But you're sticking with it so that you can eventually have enough of a financial cushion that allows you to go tend bar. My point, with regards to people who come from wealthy families, is that they can theoretically go do that at any time because in those cases, they've usually got a trust fund to fall back on, or at the very least, a family that is capable of financial bailouts.
Tl;dr - A lot of people have to work at jobs they don't particularly care for if they want to eventually experience a Buster Bluth professional student-like life.
This provided me with really great mental imagery, thanks for brightening my day noob
Sorry, more school shit:
@Teger, you're in a PhD program, right? I guess I'm curious about what sorts of things are going through your head with respect to finishing your studies. Grad school is the path that I eventually want to take, but god it's scary to think about the market for professors right now.
You mentioned having a backup plan, and a backup plan for the backup plan (and so on). It sounds like you've done awesome stuff to build a solid ist of credentials, but where do you see yourself if the road to professorship is bumpier than you hoped? Is there a backup plan for that? I guess I ask because I'm trying to process the whole graduate school application process (which is gonna come up reaaaalllyyy soon), and I know few people who are actually in grad school (save for a few doctorate students in the English department).
Yea APK, I get what you're saying now. My initial point, which I never stated well, wasn't that everyone should travel the world, that's stupid. One of my best friends likes hanging out with his family, hunting, and playing in a big yard with his dog, I wouldn't expect him to want to move to Berlin. But everyone here can probably name 10 people off the top of their head that went to business school so they could get a sick salary, got some corporate job because it paid a sick salary, and have never had any other goals but getting a lot of income and now they just focus on buying a more expensive car and a bigger house and a hot tub. You'll never be happy like that but it's really common.
Not unless you find expensive cars, big houses, and hot tubs deeply fulfilling on a meaningful level.
uu easy pants
uu cropped pants
Everlane "at cost" belt
CP officer boots
some even better stuff that'll come next week
the deed is done. got outerwear covered for all four seasons now. time to work on pants and basics lawl
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