Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by Manton, Aug 26, 2012.
Not just a loser, but a sore loser too.
Because you have so much machismo/so little humility.
Don't have a bone to pick, but calling someone gay while saying they were right is a special kind of admitting defeat... More common w 15 yos.
I told the g/f I was going to work on that for 2014
I was waiting for "you cocksucking faggot"
As soon as I clicked on "your last post" for this thread and saw that there were five pages of more recent discussion in the last nine hours, I knew Manton was on roll with some unlucky idiot.
I donno, I think the unlucky idiot got his points across too. Didn't realize that this knockout game had been going on for several years though.
Oh, well, do tell. I can (possibly) restrain myself to respond to you calmly. I did so with sugarbutch, even though he wears two earrings!
Cop. The opportunity for graft is huge, and after you get your pension, private security for $$$.
I used to wear the stud/hoop combo...and I'm seriously thinking of putting them back in.
Please tell me you also had a ponytail.
lol; and I'm trying to make friends. Ok, from my read of the 100 posts (and I read them fairly fast so I could be wrong) I thought he was saying that this "knockout game" wasn't the fad in DC that is currently is now. Yes, he said "never happened" which probably he shouldn't have said, but I think he was referring to what I clearly think is a trend. I didn't realize it had been going on for so long but without a doubt the phenomenon is having it's moment now, and I think is spawning some copycat action in other cities.
He also demonstrated that he knew the Adams Morgan and Columbia Heights area's. I think he didn't think that what is happening now in NY is at the same level as to what you had said in philly or dc.
My non-earring wearing opinions.
Thanks. I feel better. I wish you were there at the time [lawyer]dad.
I read in the comments of several articles where people talked about more knockout game attacks in DC, some in those aforementioned areas. I couldn't pull up any more information such as police reports/blotters on it or when they actually occurred. I didn't care to dig any deeper.
This is for Ken Rose.
All right. First, let me state outright a basic dilemma of internet debate with jackasses. They like to put you (me) in a lose-lose position. Keep explaining yourself, answering/refuting their “points,” and you are obsessed and can’t let it go. Try to let it go, and you are a moron who has been shown to have no response to the jackass’ devastating counter-attack. See how that works? So, let’s just stipulate that, since I have chosen to reply to your points, I am obsessed and can’t let it go.
Rumpel’s every argument was weak at best, almost a textbook case of how “debate” proceeds today on the Internet, or really anywhere.
The discussion was about “knock out game” and the question arose about how recent it all is and where it is happening, because it’s become big news only in recent weeks after several NYC attacks on Jews, apparently targeted precisely because they are Jews.
I pointed out that only the media attention is recent, the game has been around for years. There are cases going back to the early 1990s, but it seems to have really started to take off around 2007-8. That is when I became aware of it—not through the MSM, which then refused to cover or acknowledge it, but through blogs. There would occasionally be local stories that told the basic facts but always with important facts left out, above all the races of the victims and perps. The media prefers to say “youths” or “teens” when the perps are black and the victims white. Whereas they very quickly identify races in the comparatively (extremely) rare cases when the races are reversed.
So certain blogs began noticing and doing a little digging on their own and noticing the pattern. Victims also spoke out and, best of all, some perps began filming their attacks and posting the vids online. All this and more suggested a pattern:
-attacked from behind/blindsided
-sudden, no warning, not the result of an argument or anything
-victim and perps complete strangers
-punch to head or base of head/upper neck
Add to that the videos, testimony from certain apprehended perps and also the “hearsay” from people in the neighborhood who said that, indeed, they had heard of this thing called “knockout game” and/or the slightly different but related “polar bear hunting.”
The MSM still refused to discuss it and indeed saw its role as the opposite: to browbeat people out of noticing any patterns or similarities and to rule out of bounds any mention of “knockout game” and especially of “polar bear hunting” with its obvious racial overtones.
The reason is that such stories do not fit The Narrative. The Narrative is the Big Lie regarding race that the MSM and our entire corrupt intellectual culture works hard every day to shove down our throats. Boiled to its essence, The Narrative is: Blacks (and non-whites) are always victims of evil racist whites and of systemic racism, while whites--even the ones who think they are good anti-racist liberals--are always oppressors of non-whites.
Infinite examples of how The Narrative is constructed and maintained could be given. Trayvon should suffice. The MSM and the culturati made that the top national story for nearly a year and half, and stopped short of no level of mendacity to make sure that it fit The Narrative. Sometimes The Narrative requires the creation of a myth or martyr (Trayvon), sometimes it requires the suppression of facts (knockout game). The important factor is The Narrative itself.
As noted, after years, the MSM finally found that had no choice but to mention this. I will try to put this delicately, but part of the reason is that, while it is not acceptable to highlight a victim’s race when he is merely white (because whites cannot be victims according to The Narrative), it is OK and even obligatory when the victim is Jewish because Jews can be victims (for obvious reasons).
So now the MSM found itself in a bind. It had to mention these new Jewish victims, and even had to report that they were targeted because they were Jews (because some the perps on tape saying this). But it also had to rule out any possible connection to any other such attacks This cannot be allowed to be a trend because that would not fit The Narrative.
And enter Rumple. I mention the mere fact that the first I heard of all this was about 5 years ago in DC and Philly, and he leaps into action as an enforcer of The Narrative.
As an aside, it’s important to understand the changing role of the MSM in our time. It is no longer primarily to report the news or to disclose facts. It tried, for a while with some success, to be a suppressor of facts, but the window in which that role was viable has now almost completely closed. There are just (for now) too many other ways for information to disseminate. Outright suppression being for the time-being impossible, the MSM and intellerati have redefined their role as enforcers of The Narrative. They tell you what you can and cannot think, what conclusions it is and is not appropriate to draw based on the facts you find elsewhere. And, according to The Narrative, There Is No Knockout Game. Period.
Rumple, I presume, is not really aware that he is an enforcer of The Narrative. But one of the things I have witnessed firsthand over my lifetime is the way that everyone in what we now call the Blue Cities have taken it upon themselves to be enforcers. There is a conspiracy (subject for another post) but most of the mule’s work is done simply by people acting voluntarily. “You can’t say that!” And the reason for this, or a reason, is what I call “opinion morality.” In elite Blue America, virtue has been almost completely replaced by opinion as the barometer of a person’s moral worth. That’s not to say virtue is not practiced; it often is and the UMC are nothing if not hypocrites: disorder for thee, order for me. The point is that what now defines you as a Good Person in NY, DC, SF, etc. are not practice of the moral virtues but the opinions you hold on those issues of the day that the intellerati deem of paramount importance. What is your position on “gay marriage”? For? Fine, you are Good Person. Against? You are a bigot and hence bad. The Narrative is part of this. It’s what makes so many people willing enforcers: it’s a way of advertising your goodness.
So, to return to Rumple, he jumps in, does a snarky drive-by, and gets the facts wrong. This is pointed out. Instead of simply acknowledging his error, he doubles, triples and quadruples down repeatedly.
-I mentioned A-M and CH in DC as transitional areas typical of where this has been happening. He says, no, impossible because A-M has high property values. This is a stupid argument. High values correlate with lower crime but not in a 1:1 way. A-M is closer to high crime areas than other parts of NW and thus has always had higher crime than (say) Woodley. Also, A-M is adjacent to a few much higher crime areas, which is exactly where crimes like this happen. That is, not in the heart of the UES, which is high income for miles in all directions, but in areas that border worse areas.
-He then tried to make great hay of the fact that I mentioned A-M but did not cite a case from A-M. This is also, plainly, stupid on a number of levels. First, I said that I became aware of this thing happening in areas “like” AM that were gentrifying and border. Second, I cited two cases which I noted were high profile but also noted that there were many others that were not. I do remember reading about this happening in A-M. R’s tactic—which is a common tactic in intellectually dishonest Internet debates—was to say “I deny unless you show me the crime blotter.” Which if done, the subject is merely changed to “This doesn’t count in that category.” The point is, the standards are changed and the goal posts moved with every new piece of evidence provided.
-I then noted that a small number (two, that I know of) victims have been black. He idiotically tried to spin this as complete vindication of his position of denial. So, again, he further affirms that the attacks are real, but the fact that two out of about hundreds reported attacks. This is “proof” of nothing. Perhaps those kids couldn’t find a white victim at that moment. Perhaps they didn’t personally care that much. The point is, when the races are reversed, the ratio doesn’t have to be even close to 100:1 for there to be pattern. But in this case, 2 exceptions completely disprove the trend. Yeah, right.
-Then he just lapses into, and never emerges from, ridiculous straw manning—I have claimed that DC is a crime-ridden hell hole and such. All of which he just made up out of desperation.
So, the points you cite as his “good points” are not good points at all. There IS a nationwide pattern of crimes that have occurred in dozens of cities, DC being one of them. There IS something called “knockout game” that the perps themselves have defined and described. He has not shown that there have been only 3 attacks in DC; he has simply chosen to pretend that only the three he has mentioned count. There was no content to any of his replies at all.
Which is the way of nearly all such “debates” today, sadly. It’s yet another sign of the corruption of our times. There is no “comity.” There is no possibility of discourse or dialogue. The argument proceeded in bad faith, rife with intellectual dishonesty, from the beginning. He was here only as an enforcer of The Narrative. Likely an unwitting enforcer, but that really doesn’t make it any better, for in what universe can it be a good thing to be all at once ignorant, a bully, and an automaton?
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