Reasons why New York Sucks

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by Manton, Aug 26, 2012.

  1. Connemara

    Connemara [URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jST2Sv63WQ']

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    I always enjoy the stories about creative panhandlers who make like $50K/year. Exemplars of capitalism.
     


  2. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    There is Sherlock Holmes story about how a middle class man learns that he can earn more from begging than from his old job.
     


  3. Connemara

    Connemara [URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jST2Sv63WQ']

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    Almost forgot about that. It's a good one.
     


  4. gomestar

    gomestar Super Yelper

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    well think about some of these subway car performers. Those who are marginally talented (yes, some are god awful) might take home, at minimum, $2-$3 per car between stops, at least according to my observations. Time between stops is maybe, 2-4 minutes depending on local vs. express or 3-15 minutes depending on how awful the MTA is on that particular day. If we assume 3 minutes, which seems reasonable, they can reach the minimum hourly wage with less than 10 minutes of work.



    there's this one really old asian guy who goes around with his little electronic saxaphone and plays the title song from the Godfather, and he always collects (he's cool enough where even I gave him a buck once). He easily pulls in way more than $3 a car. Dude must make a ton of money doing that, and I'm being completely serious.
     


  5. archetypal_yuppie

    archetypal_yuppie Senior member

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    I don't know how you think about attribution for this. But in general, a growing economy sucks people into jobs and prosperity, and a stagnating economy does the opposite.

    It happens at the margin but over time you can see the cumulative impact.

    Manton, with respect to 2008-2009, while that was the period with the greatest downturn in asset prices and worst job losses per month, labor force participation is lower now, more jobs are part time, jobs pay less for those who have them, income per family is down, etc. (real terms)

    So, though fewer people are getting laid off now, there are more people without jobs now too. 150K new jobs per month while working-age population grows 300K per month will do that.

    Also 99 weeks of unemployment checks expired too, I think, so those without jobs are transition into not having money also.
     
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  6. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Good points. The stats lie and corrupt my judgement. So, the numbers say the current economy is "better" but the feeling out there is still rather grim ...
     


  7. archetypal_yuppie

    archetypal_yuppie Senior member

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    The brainless morons at CNN et al would interpret 150K jobs as good. A lot of people also look at the S&P as a proxy for the economy. Fail.
     


  8. Rumpelstiltskin

    Rumpelstiltskin Senior member

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    Read up on Adams Morgans and Columbia Heights? Did you actually look where I am located? [​IMG] I moved to the DC area from NYC and have been here for 20 years so I have seen the changes firsthand.

    Adams Morgan consists primarily of a strip of bars and small clubs and international restaurants on 18th St between Florida Avenue and Columbia Road that attracts a wildly diverse crowd of college kids, young professionals and folks old enough to know better. On weekend nights, all of the bars let out at 3:00 AM and for thieves it was like guaranteed money. Being robbed while walking to your car sober had been a distinct possibility but the odds increased when one was drunk especially when parked on lonely backstreets. Parking has always been scarce and until recently so was any real police presence even though 3rd District police station is only about 4 blocks away. Many of the apartments were run down and it had a gritty feel to the area. Residents were a mixed lot of black, white and Central American latinos (Mexican, Guatemalan and Salvadorean primarily). With gentrification came high priced condos and higher rents. The Adams Morgan BID (Business Improvement District) worked with the city to improve the standards in the area. Streetlights were replaced. Loitering laws were enforced. Nuisance businesses were shuttered. Police presence was increased on heavy drinking nights. After hours bars were closed and the city got serious about enforcing the laws. The street and sidewalks were widened last summer. They even built 2 parking garages in order to handle the tremendous influx of cars on the weekend. The residents are still a mix of black, white and latino: the black presence has dropped significantly, the latino presence grew some but whites have flocked to the area. Everywhere you look are white people on bicycles drinking coffee or eating some food they cannot pronounce. You cannot buy a rowhouse for under $1 million and I would estimate the average cost of a 2 bedroom condo to be about $550k. Is it as safe as Bethesda, Maryland? No. But it is a far cry from being a "borderline area" or dangerous area. My best friend own a bar in the heart of 18th street and I know the area quite well.

    What were once some of Adams Morgan's notorious backstreets

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    1988 picture of 18th Street
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    Bad shot of present day 18th street
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    Columbia Heights is an area that is still being gentrified. It is primarily a latino area with many businesses there and in the adjacent Mt. Pleasant neighbourhoods to serve the significant amount of Spanish speaking residents. Years gone by it was neglected by the city so drug dealers were on every corner, people drinking in the streets, barely paved streets, etc. With gentrification businesses have been flocking to the area to serve the new residents. Condos and restaurants have sprung up around the Metro station and slowly but steadily spread outwards up 14th street as well as down towards the U street area (another area that has long been gentrified). Unrenovated rowhouses run around $700k but the latest trend is to subdivide them into condos that sell for about 400k for a 1 bedroom. That is a lot for an area where apartments ran for under $500/month less that 5 years ago. Street crime is still a problem but with the increase in rents, latinos have been slowly but steadily moving out to Arlington, VA or Langley Park, MD. My g/f's lives there so I know the area quite well


    1988 of Columbia Heights pre-Metro (subway for New Yorkers)

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    Present Day
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    Perhaps you should get off of your computer and actually see the world you live in because you clearly don't know WTF you are talking about
     
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  9. indesertum

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    It's 12, 13 for a bowl but they don't include an egg which is an extra $2 and is rather cold although it's the perfect molten lava gooiness. If you go get the spicy eggplant side. So worth it.
     


  10. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Yeah, I don't know. Lived in DC twice, once for 2 years, once for 5.

    Google it. There are several accounts of attacks in DC. One by a famous blogger, the idiot blowhard Matt Yglasias, who has spilled out thousands of words denying that his attack was part of any pattern. And then this one:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/20/g...beral-speech-humanizing-her-attackers-video/#!

    But, right, there have been "none."

    And if you think property values have a 1:1 correlation with the crime rate, you know nothing about cities. Adams Morgan is more expensive than it used to be but simply check the DC crime blotter, it still ranks very high for street crime.

    God, I hate smug, ignorant liberals more than ever, it's a good thing I am still banned from the CE.
     
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    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    Extended unemployment benefits may have played a role.
     


  12. Rumpelstiltskin

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    You do realize that car break-ins are listed under street crime. More money = nicer cars = more cars to break into. Of course there is crime in DC but you have to be obtuse to the point of stupidity if you think that Adams Morgan and Mount Pleasant have not become safer areas than they used to be. Either way I fail to see how a single attack in Columbia Heights somehow has morphed into an epidemic of this so called "knockout game" in the DC area (or anywhere else for that matter).

    You've live in DC twice? What neighbourhoods? Where did you hang out? What areas were considered dangerous back then?

    I'm not sure how my supposed political leanings (something I have never addressed on styleforums) have any relevance to this discussion. My personal belief is that people who identify themselves (or demonize others) based on perceived political leanings aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. "What do you mean 2+2=4? You don't know what yer talking bout because yer a butthead and everyone knows buttheads don't know math"

    Wait - isn't his thread about hating NYC?
     
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  13. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    You were the one who said its "never happened" in DC. I provided two high-profile instances. There are serveral others not as high profile. So "never" is now as the Nixonians used to say "inoperative." The rest is just blather.

    You fit a pattern of liberal denial that has been kicked into overdrive in the last 3-4 weeks as the cases have grown in frequency:

    1) "This is not happening."

    2) "Oh, those incidents are just random crimes, not part of any pattern or 'game.'"

    3) " Well, some of these attacks look similar, but of course we know that white kids are doing it too. Also, TRAYVON!!!"

    4) "Hmm, well there don't seem to be any white perps, but that may be being covered up by the racist media."

    5) "OK, so there are no white perps in any account that can be found, but still, this is totally overblown by the racist media FOXNEWS, etc."

    6) "Of course stuff like this happens, big cities have crime, duh."

    7) "What do you expect the oppressed to do, they're oppressed, they get mad, society has abandonded them, compassion for the perps, univeral pre-K will solve this, tax 'the rich' to pay for it."
     
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  14. archetypal_yuppie

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    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Oh, and part of hating NYC is hating on the incredible sophistry of urban liberals and the rube-goldberg machines they have to create to square how they live in the real world with the ideology they profess to hold, which (because this is the media capital of the world) is corrupting to all intellectual discourse everywhere.
     


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