Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by Manton, Aug 26, 2012.
Isn't that about 100 miles from NYC?
It's almost a reverse for LA I think. You come here and hate it, because on the surface it can be really awful. I remember the culture shock when, on our first 4th here we asked neighbors where the fireworks for the neighborhood were going to be and they looked at us like aliens. We ended up watching thugs set off illegal ones in some shitty part of Northridge I think.
But after about 15 years slow appreciation develops into a strong boosterism.
Or you move back to Chicago and tell everyone how terrible weather is really essential for building character.
August Styleforum members aside, San Francisco transplants are the worst. And there are so many of them.
I think we can probably all agree on that. It's like a melting pot for the proudly useless.
there's a running joke in williamsburg that half of the hipsters are from minnesota.... its strangely true from my informal census -i think they skew the "nice-ness" factor upward statistically.
The big problem is that the city becomes a reflection of them and their life choices, so they love it uncritically and unconditionally.
Why doesn't this happen elsewhere as much? Is it just a size and isolation issue? I mean I guess it happens in certain neighborhoods and small cities here and in NYC. Santa Monica and parts of Brooklyn come to mind.
We moved from California to a village 15 miles outside of NYC in 1963 for 7 years. In elementary school-high school when you studied the United Nations, you visited it, when you studied art you visited MOMA, when you took music lessons you hopped on the train and got them from a working musician living in Greenwich Village. When you needed nudie magazines you went to Times Square. It was great.
I still enjoy every trip to NY. But even with frequent visits I probably have an overly romantic perspective. I may have been lucky to have lived there at the very best time in the last century.
I'm going to steal this expression.
This is a good observation and probably apt to many places.
did somebody mention real estate prices yet?
My grandmother who lives out here now thinks rent control caused the city to turn to shit in the mid century. She and my grandfather allegedly lived at the El Dorado until the mid-50s before moving to a Tudor in Larchmont, but no idea if they owned or rented.
Now go almost anywhere between the coasts and you'll experience the same thing in the US, but for significantly cheaper than NY!
I love stories about NYC real estate bargains from the '70s. the UWS was a real happy hunting ground apparently, though the east side was not immune.
el dorado would have been a rental then, most co-op conversions on the west side happened very late.
In 1986, my cousin had a tiny studio apt two blocks from Lincoln Center towards CP and paid $800/mo. Considered crazy expensive then.
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