In various discussion both here and at Andy's, I have yet to see mention of Ravazzolo and Belvest. In my opinion, these two manufacturers are great starter suits, I bought a Ravazzolo for my B.S walk, and then a Belvest for my doctorate. I got them both at Barcelinos at the Embarcadero in SF. These two got me started towards Brioni, Kiton, Attolini, etc. At the time, these were cheaper than Canali, Zegna, Zileri, and Isaia. Any opinions?