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Probably worse tbhThis has been a most interesting insight, thank you to all of the participants. I’ve had to look up what some of the American terminology means but I get the broad idea. Is this forum always so dreadful?
Isn't that the point though? People care about what others think of them. Especially true for kids. And kids see that people who are racist, classist, and homophobic have traditionally worn and generally continue to wear what the laymen would identify as CM.
There's always going to be exceptions, but largely speaking if young folks wear CM pieces it's usually:
- Just a piece or two in an outfit that's otherwise more contemporary.
- Worn in a very different spirit.
I suppose I don't know what youth fashion means outside of what happens on the internet, as a lot of youth fashion nowadays is online through sites such as Instagram, TikTok, and Depop. Or sites like Grailed, to the degree that a segment of GenZ is on Grailed. I don't think this sort of regional style discussion is meaningful anymore (also, are you actually hanging out with GenZers? Aren't you like in your 30s?)
I suppose if you define CM as "shirts, overcoats, and boots," then maybe GenZ is into CM because they wear those things. But I would not call CM as being shirts, overcoats and boots, but rather very specific iterations of those things. A Saint Laurent overcoat is not CM; a Ben Silver overcoat is CM.
I think fundamentally, young people are interested in what's cool, and they have been since the 1960s. CM is just not cool. It requires a pop-cultural moment to make it cool -- a certain TV show or movie, certain designers, or musicians. When I think about the "cool moments" in CM post-war, I think of designers like Armani and RL. Or I think of the most recent obsession with Mad Men (now long passed).
CM guys love complaining about coolness. Many have formed an identity around being grouchy cranks. By definition, complaining about what's cool is not cool. It may be that CM will one day have its day in the sun, but it will not be because of this very niche online culture around classic men's style. It will require a pop-cultural moment.
Can we just all agree that none of us should really care what Gen Z is wearing because Bruce Boyer is right:
“To me, the height of idiocy is for a father to try to dress like his son. It shows the father doesn’t know himself, and his son won’t respect him for it.”
By all accounts, Gen Z should be repudiating everything classic, because of its 'political connotations.'
Instead, we get this:
Cottagecore - Wikipedia
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Academia Lives — on TikTok (Published 2020)
School may be out indefinitely, but on social media there’s a thriving subculture devoted to the aesthetic of all things scholarly.www.nytimes.com
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All of which are hugely popular, once you get past the streetwear crowd - proving once more that not only is Gen Z more than capable of enjoying fashion without political smearings, but that the grouchy bloggers who think classic style consists of 'What-We-Wore circa 1967' are hilariously out of touch.
You jest, but this was actually a common motif in many ancient cultures.
From the Isle of Delos on the Aegean:
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They were associated with Hermes and other gods, and both warded off evil and were a sign of good fortune.
Am I the only one looking at the Duke of Hastings character on Bridgerton and thinking I could totally wear that?Yes, I agree. The Regency period is a major fashion influence right now.
Aa friend of mine came back from Indonesia a few years ago and brought back souvenirs for their friends. These consisted of bottle openers with the handle being in the shape of a penis.
Clearly they have not lost their sense of manliness in Indonesia. What we need is a resurgence of uber-manly implements:
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Just so we don't become gay, you see.
Am I the only one looking at the Duke of Hastings character on Bridgerton and thinking I could totally wear that?
So what?The show is an awful, ahistorical fantasy.