Yeah, I've never bothered with barbell rows. DB rows FTW, IMO. I started doing barbell rows because I didn't want to buy new dumbbells and I was having a hard time adding weight / chains / plates to an inverted row. I don't seem to have any trouble with falling over, but I am doing "Pendlay" rows where each rep starts on the ground. http://stronglifts.com/how-to-perfor...ect-technique/ I've tried Pendlay rows and just felt like i was wasting my time too. Maybe it's cos i wasn't using chalk. gonna try again. I love slow rep count (really) WIDE GRIP bent barbell rows... but you better have your back in shape or rest your head on a bench. Reverse-grip BB bent rows are also handy. To be honest i got so pissed off with not being able to get the form that i've just been doing seated row (shock horror) Anyways, i've just finally settled on this program. I know you're not meant to fuck with Bill Starr's 5x5 but i did anyway: Monday: Low Back Back Squat Benchpress Powercleans Wednesday: Pullups (40 reps in as few sets as possible) Deadlifts Press (Pendlay) Row (seated at the moment) Friday: Front Squat Incline dumbbell bench High pulls For everything but pullups, the formula is 4 sets of 5 reps, ramping weight up each time. 5th set increase weight a bit more for 3 reps.