Random health and exercise thoughts

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  1. fuji

    fuji Senior member

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    Bought straps today. Number of pull ups and how much I shrugged and rowed went way up. I'll probably just start doing isolated forearm work to make up for it though.
     
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    i dont think the bulk cut cycle is a major misconception. it's been working for the body building community for decades. i just dont think a majority of people have the training, experience, time, and will to do it correctly so it doesnt work out that well.
     
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    A major misconception among people.

    Sans genetic freaks. I have a friend that can do this- I hate him.
     
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    How do you define "whole foods"? I consider whey/shakes just as natural as the food you ingest since they are protein isolates. If you want muscle on your thighs,, you have to eat excess calories. Putting on lean muscle will take time, not sure 3 months will do it.

    I guess the definition of "whole foods" is kind of gray but in the context of my post and intents I am referring to just home-made meals with fresh ingredients. A solid lean protein source. Any serious carb intake will normally take the form of whole grain, a vegetable, or fruit. In addition, plenty of water and 2% milk. Sugars are to be naturally occurring (i.e fresh fruit). No soda, very little candy (but we all need a little). But ATEOTD, sugar is sugar, so that is limited, as well. No chips, no real junk food. Limiting alcohol intake to no more than 2x a week (this is a challenge, I hate to say).

    I hear what you're saying in that whey protein isolate is technically natural - being just an isolate of milk -- but I am even moving away from derivatives and isolates. I want to explore the not so controversial (imo) opinion that a human can acquire all he or she needs to build or maintain sufficient muscle mass and overall health by consuming normal, healthy, well rounded, home- made meals. Important to note that I am not a person who is innately or inherently skinny. I am of average build, but can manipulate my body rather quickly and easily.

    I currently have a very good deal of lean muscle mass, as is, for being 130 lbs. Pecks, abs, all that good shit. Repping 185lbs X 5 with no assistance (BP). 30 wide grip, full extension military standard pull-ups with no break (could do these behind the neck, but no need -- also in the interest of preserving my rotator cuff). /brag.

    final note, I stopped posting in this sub-forum because I wasn't totally hip to what this micro-fitness-community's overall stances were on the issues of bro-sciences and was finding myself in silly debates and arguments after I tried to relay what my fitness goals were and how I intended to accomplish them.
     
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    i dont think the bulk cut cycle is a major misconception. it's been working for the body building community for decades. i just dont think a majority of people have the training, experience, time, and will to do it correctly so it doesnt work out that well.

    bulk cut cycle is different than what he described which was trying to put on mass while leaning out.
     
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    Sans genetic freaks. I have a friend that can do this- I hate him.

    Obviously we are talking about the Average Joe here, right? I know someone who can also lean out and put on muscle at the same time, he's also an amateur MMA fighter.
     
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    I guess the definition of "whole foods" is kind of gray but in the context of my post and intents I am referring to just home-made meals with fresh ingredients. A solid lean protein source. Any serious carb intake will normally take the form of whole grain, a vegetable, or fruit. In addition, plenty of water and 2% milk. Sugars are to be naturally occurring (i.e fresh fruit). No soda, very little candy (but we all need a little). But ATEOTD, sugar is sugar, so that is limited, as well. No chips, no real junk food. Limiting alcohol intake to no more than 2x a week (this is a challenge, I hate to say).

    I hear what you're saying in that whey protein isolate is technically natural - being just an isolate of milk -- but I am even moving away from derivatives and isolates. I want to explore the not so controversial (imo) opinion that a human can acquire all he or she needs to build or maintain sufficient muscle mass and overall health by consuming normal, healthy, well rounded, home- made meals. Important to note that I am not a person who is innately or inherently skinny. I am of average build, but can manipulate my body rather quickly and easily.

    I currently have a very good deal of lean muscle mass, as is, for being 130 lbs. Pecks, abs, all that good shit. Repping 185lbs X 5 with no assistance (BP). 30 wide grip, full extension military standard pull-ups with no break (could do these behind the neck, but no need -- also in the interest of preserving my rotator cuff). /brag.

    final note, I stopped posting in this sub-forum because I wasn't totally hip to what this micro-fitness-community's overall stances were on the issues of bro-sciences and was finding myself in silly debates and arguments after I tried to relay what my fitness goals were and how I intended to accomplish them.


    How tall are you? if you don't mind me asking.
     
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    Obviously we are talking about the Average Joe here, right? I know someone who can also lean out and put on muscle at the same time, he's also an amateur MMA fighter.

    Yes. My point was I hate those people- and I'm motivated to go goth ninja just to kill them all. Is that bad?
     
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    Lol, sorry, phone posting, didn't mean to add the martini glass
     
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    If you have access to a gym, I would go back to squats and such to put on a bit of mass on your legs. At 5'8, 130, you shouldn't worry about a bit of extra fat here and there, so definitely increase your carb intake.
     
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    Yes. My point was I hate those people- and I'm motivated to go goth ninja just to kill them all. Is that bad?

    LOL. I've also got the Azn genes, no help whatsoever.
     
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    Its possible to burn fat and gain muscle at the same time. The trick is not to eat wildly beyond maintenance in your bulk. I've put on about 2-3 lbs since the beginning of November at most, and my lifts are all up significantly. So I'm pretty sure I've lost a little fat while definitely putting on some muscle. If maintaining low body fat isn't a concern though go hog wild, just make sure you're upping the poundage consistently too.
     
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    If you have access to a gym, I would go back to squats and such to put on a bit of mass on your legs. At 5'8, 130, you shouldn't worry about a bit of extra fat here and there, so definitely increase your carb intake.

    This. If your goal is still to make it to 145 lbs @ sub-10, that is. Gaining muscle while limiting fat gain is certainly possible, although very hard and slow - of course one can gain faster if one accepts slight fat gains in the process.
    Also, idk abt strictly bodyweight stuff (admittedly, it's not really my fortÃ[​IMG]) - one would think there's a limit to hypertrophy one can get using them.
     
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    Its possible to burn fat and gain muscle at the same time. The trick is not to eat wildly beyond maintenance in your bulk. I've put on about 2-3 lbs since the beginning of November at most, and my lifts are all up significantly. So I'm pretty sure I've lost a little fat while definitely putting on some muscle. If maintaining low body fat isn't a concern though go hog wild, just make sure you're upping the poundage consistently too.

    Watch for the ninja star of death, bro, I'm coming for you [​IMG]
     
  15. Nouveau Pauvre

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    I'm finally starting to feel ok about my squat form. I think watching a million videos and upping my calorie intake helped in equal measure.

    Now I jsut have to work on the nightmare that is my deadlift form. I actually seem to be ok on the way up, but my back rounds dramatically as soon as i start bringing it down....
     

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