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Random health and exercise thoughts

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Eason, Dec 20, 2009.

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  1. Eason

    Eason Well-Known Member

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    He's a fucking hero goddamnit
     
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    "don't be a pussy and foam roll before working out (because i can't pronounce these muscles and shit)


    but....


    walk around with a hip circle before and during workout"


    on his tangent, anybody use mobility wod?
     
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    Yeah. I'm not yet convinced I need detox tea or a "waist trainer"... Instagram fitness is a massive scam.

    But looking at ties, suits and shoes really gives me that urge to splurge. The Scandinavians going strong on dat dere instagram swag time.
     
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    fuck kelly starret

    kinda
     
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    Lots of possible confounding variables in that study.
     
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    So... Do you know the impact factor of nature and what that means for the peer review process?

    Ill grab the full pdf at work if anyone wants it.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if it were partially causal.

    But I think it's pretty clear that any high calorie diet - even one not associated with weight gain - increases the risk of cancer. Energy dense foods aren't good for us. When used for the express purpose of gaining weight (i.e. going on a bulk) then yeah, it does increase the risk. Particularly given the over-prevalence of guys who bulk and never properly cut.

    Even if you do cut that period of eating energy dense food and putting on weight and cutting is probably posing an increased risk of some diseases. So does drinking, smoking etc. We all make our own choices. But it is important to have that information out there.

    I really don't see why they would lump creatine and protein powder together though. Completely different things.
     
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    Surface Pro? Lenovo Carbon?
     
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    I do know the impact of Nature. This article is in the British Journal of Cancer, which is the journal for a cancer charity in the UK. It's published on their behalf by Nature Publishing Group, which presumably has little oversight over the approval process for article publication.

    edit: I'm not presuming that the article is wrong, I'm just saying there are potential confounding variables that could be skewing the data. It wouldn't be the first time such a thing happened.
     
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    Not sure that debunks it tbh. The fact that you don't know what's in any of them is exactly why the tests are superfluous.


    It was significant individuality as well. OR was higher with them lumped.

    Also this study design is set up to remove casual associations.
     
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    Will you stop taking any supplements with creatine or protein powders in it after reading the article?
     
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    That's what i get for reading the abstract on my phone. Fair enough.


    Unsure why that's relevant.
     
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    Examine's conclusion is:
    The takeaway
    Ultimately, this study does not offer enough evidence for current MBS users to change their supplementing habits at all. However, this kind of study will spark interest in the topic of MBS and testicular cancer, spur more research and hopefully, result in a better questionnaire that can be used to predict relative risk of various cancers.

    This study does not provide practical evidence to answer the question, on a personal level, “will this supplement I’m using give me testicular cancer?” It is, however, always a good idea to look up each ingredient in your dietary supplement in Examine.com’s database to see if any provide individual cause for concern. For example, you can see that the body of existing research finds creatine to be safe.

    At this moment in time, there is no reason to fear ‘muscle building supplements’ as a group.


    I don't think Examine's purpose was to debunk it but rather to advise not to jump too quickly to conclusion.
     
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    This is what I referred to in a previous discussion on how bulking is unhealthy. Think it was a week or two ago.

    There are numerous studies showing that fasting and caloric restriction increase lifespan and improve health, but that is not optimal for getting big and strong.

    Additionally, many of the dietary choices that create a better "anabolic environment" (milk products, high GI carbs, red meat, saturated fats) negatively affect your health. For instance, going vegetarian is generally better for your health but not gaining muscle. As an example, the national dietary guidelines for meat consumption in Sweden is 200 grams / 0.5 lbs per week. Many lifters surpass that every day.
     
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    Hendrix mark bell is the biggest shill and the industry. And the fact that your hanging your hat on his opinion is hilarious. I'm not even defending foam rolling, I don't do it anymore myself.
     
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    It's not a therapeutic study and examine is acting like that's what it purports to being when it doesn't.
     
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    But national dietary guidelines are usually crap and the one for Sweden is as well. They changed the guidelines for Denmark fairly recently and actual scientists argued how it really wasn't optimal with the low amount protein. Alan Aragon also has a lengthy chapter in Girth Control about national dietary guidelines in the US throughout history concluding that the general population would be healthier if they ate more protein.
     
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    I agree, but that example was not about protein, it was about red meat.

    Chicken, fish and other "healthier" (in lack of better word, you know what I mean) is not recommended in as low doses.
     
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