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Random health and exercise thoughts

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Eason, Dec 20, 2009.

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  1. OccultaVexillum

    OccultaVexillum Senior member

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    He has pretty much stated that he cares about how he looks, otherwise he wouldn't be posting pictures asking for advice. Right now he doesn't have a soft look, he has an overweight, untrained look.
    I'm not saying everybody has to be sub 10% fat, I personally prefer the softer look (like 12-13% bf), but right now it seems like his methods are completely counter productive to his goals.
    Seriously, how long did it take you to reach 1000lb total? And did you get super fat to achieve it? That's all I'm getting at.
     
  2. mrchariybrown

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    Why does it matter how long it took me? Everyone's different man. Genetics play a huge role in progress.

    Btw, I don't think he looks terrible. A bit pudgy.. yea, but I wouldn't call him fat.
     
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  3. OccultaVexillum

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    I guess it doesn't matter. And "super fat" is obv pretty arbitrary.
    But when I see him post it's usually about reaching a 1000 total before cutting and/or not having a decent chest. Like I said it seems like his methods compete with his goals.
     
  4. fuji

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    Dumb as fuck 17-21 year old girls at raves (all i fuk) definitely care. Was so much easier in late summer/early autumn then it was in the winter.
     
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  6. skeen7908

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    I think the climate has a huge role

    Most of you live in frigid shitholes where you are wearing 6 layers of clothing most of the year anyway so it makes no difference whether you are shredded or not

    If its a warm climate though, you can show striations and muscle definition
     
  7. GraphicNovelty

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    PT cleared me for running. Did 1 minute run/1 minute walk on the treadmill till I hit a mile.

    Feels good mang.

    Anwyay skeen's right I don't worry about being ripped until summer, at which point it pays off quite a bit.
     
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  8. Khayembii Communique

    Khayembii Communique Senior member

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    The 1000 lb goal was because I'm running a strength program and it was tangible. I figured it would be worthwhile to build a base from a strength perspective first because I do want to be strong. Obviously my goal isn't to be a powerlifee but I thought it'd be good to at least be strong. And yeah from a pl perspective 1000 lbs is shit but let's be realistic here, outside of pl that's pretty damn strong, at least stronger than most average gymgoers.

    Anyways, I get what everyone is saying. I just don't see it as a possibility that I'll ever be under 160 again. Then again this cut could prove me wrong. I think I have enough of a muscle base now that if I cut down to super lean I won't look like a stick and will look much better so who knows.

    Also if I'm 20% bf that means cutting to 160 I'd be at 0%.
     
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  9. Benesyed

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    Pretty fat. No offense but there might be something off with your diet or training. For as long add you have been on here, those are pretty underwhelming pics
     
  10. tesseract

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    Put him in a shirt next to someone 220 lbs and he looks dyel
     
  11. skeen7908

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    You are 198 and over 20% body fat

    Lets estimate you have around 45lbs of fat

    198-45 = 153lbs lean mass

    If you got down to 8% and lost absolutely no muscle (unlikely) youd weigh around 165
    More realistic you lose 5lbs of lean mass during the cut (still a very good effort) = 160lb

    Which is why bulk/cut is the dumbest shit on earth

    You dun goofed brah, but you can fix it just start again


    Fuji please check the math
     
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  12. Cool The Kid

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    198 x 20% = ~40lbs

    Otherwise yea

    If aesthetics are the goal (and for KC they are) weight gain on a bulk has to be kept in check esp once noob gains are burnt through. Someone who's been lifting for 2-3 yrs or more shouldn't be gaining more than like 2lb a month max. I felt like such a dumbass when my lifts kept going up after I started to basically hold my weight steady. Could have made all my gains 10lb lighter
     
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    Need to account for water weight, he'll be holding a lot more water now then he would be at 8%


    Signed up for CFA 1 in december, hoping to get to level 2 before I finish undergrad.
     
  14. Coldsnap

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    Khaye you'll be fine. Just cut a big and lose some from the midsection. Your posture is really poor even when trying to stand straight.gotta get your hips under you more and your ribs down. Follow Chris duffib stuff or seek out PRI help.
     
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  15. Khayembii Communique

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    Strong criticizing dude, thanks. So after this weekend (vacation) I'll be starting my cut, and I think the only piece of the puzzle left for getting aesthetic is knowing where to set my calorie goals (am getting to the gym consistently, am counting calories, staying hydrated, getting sleep, etc.). For example, on this bulk when I first started I was targeting 2500 kcals which really isn't a lot. Granted, some days I would allow myself to eat over, but typically I'm pretty meticulous in my counting. It's sorta surprising me that I gained that much on only 2500 kcals. Then my lifts stalled, I upped it to 3000 kcals (which I'm on now) and increased my protein, and they started moving again. I'm clearly doing something wrong in setting my calorie targets.

    FWIW my last cut I targeted 2000 kcals which I'll prob do this time too to start. Anyways, so for this cut, should I just drop to 2000 kcals and monitor for a couple weeks? In order to preserve lbm, do I just need to be at a deficit where my weights aren't going down, or what? Typically that's what I'd do, I'd start at some deficit and adjust down until my weights are barely moving and hold there. Is that wrong? And should I actually be targeting losing 40 lbs to get into single digits? Was considering getting a DEXA just to see what I'm actually at and to see what it's like to get one, pointless?

    For my next bulk, if I'm cutting say at 2000 kcals, should I up to 2500 kcals or 3000 kcals? How do I know where to set the initial target, and what cues should I be watching to adjust?

    Also as an aside, how is bulk/cut stupid? You make much faster progress than just a slow lean bulk/recomp (assuming you're doing it properly).



    CTK same questions as I asked skeen.



    WTF does "get your ribs down" mean.

    Also nobody addressed my biggest problem which is how to prevent myself from looking like I'm showing everyone my package.
     
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  16. fuji

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    How can you gain weight at 3000 calories a day and 200lb? I'd loose weight fairly quick at that and I weigh about the same as you.
     
  17. Khayembii Communique

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    I haven't really been gaining weight since going to 3000 kcals. My weight stalled at around 195-197 and has been hovering around there ever since.
     
  18. venividivicibj

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    @fuji I'm doing the CFA level 1 for June. Wish I had started when I was in college. So much harder with a full time job
     
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  19. Cool The Kid

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    For how long? FWIW I was "gaintaining" at about 3100kcal on average. Early in my bulk I was averaging 3500kcal :facepalm: I started cutting at 2500, but I have dipped down to about 2100-2200 net (some days I do cardio and eat a little extra) and have been holding a steady 1lb/week loss on average consistently.

    Sounds drastic but I would probably start around like 2200-2300kcal/week and then chop 100kcal weekly if you stall. Just dont go under 2000kcal, that seems like too much. Dont be afraid of cardio either, it works and is good for you. Also be consistent in your water intake as water weight changes fuck with you. During the week I drink at least half a gallon of water at my desk, but on weekends I'm "dry" so my waking weight on Sunday/Monday is about 1-2lbs lower than it is when I'm hydrated.

    I agree that bulk/cut isn't stupid either, you just have to keep things in check. I think recomps are stupid... you need a surplus to grow. But lean bulk is the smart way to bulk. A 200-300kcal daily surplus is really all that's needed... that's like 1/2 a lb a week which is controllable w/cardio. If u are moving like 20-30lb in 1 leg of a bulk/cut cycle u did something wrong. Its no biggie tho, u have time and arent that fat. Experience is the best teacher. U will def have some more lean mass when u cut and look way bigger than u did at 155 or w/e. Dont worry
     
  20. Khayembii Communique

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    Upped to 3000 like two weeks ago I think because my bench had stalled at 240 for three weeks.

    How do you know how low you can go on a cut, though? That's my question. I thought when your lifts start suffering you know you've too far. And cardio only increases the deficit I thought, and you'd get the exact same effect by just lowering calories instead. Is that wrong?

    I pound water now, have a Nalgene at my desk that I go through 3-4x/day.
     

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