A lot of people's problems are just due to impatience. I think the avg joe can be pretty aesthetic, but it would take years of really good training and diet. Shit takes time. I don't see the problem with jumping on "dat dere" though. Where do you draw the line? People use EC to cut, BCAAs to train, protein, creatine, etc. etc. Hell people even get test shots legally from doctors if it turns out they are low. So getting a little help isn't too bad. I used to be against it, but now I am kind of for it. I would def consider it if I could just find a reliable source to get info and materials.