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Random health and exercise thoughts

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Eason, Dec 20, 2009.

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  1. fuji

    fuji Senior member

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    Unrelated to fitness, but I just worked out how much my education costs per hour. Copy and pasted from things that are pissing you off thread

    "I decided to work out how much my university costs per hour. At the LSE you have 4 hours of class a week, we also have 8 hours of lectures, but I don't go to any because for my subjects I think they're useless, i'd rather read my course book for an hour. We have 23 classes per subject per year and I have 4 subjects so thats 102 classes a year. Each class is actually only 50 minutes so we have time to get between classes, which is bull shit because theres only 4 classes a week so thats only 85 hours a year. Tuition is 15000 a year. I pay 176.47 pounds per hour of my education, which is basically having a first years masters student from some other school in london like brunell who most of the time has forgotten the details of his first year of university education and always gets confused and this is assuming I have perfect attendance, which I don't so in reality it's probably over 200 quid an hour for really shit teaching. Am incredibly russled, could do this at home with just my course books and commute to school for the exams. Also this isn't taking into account this 336 quid a week I need for accommodation and food."


    dat feel when I could run a sick cycle for every class I go to. How much does it cost to go to do my masters at an aesthetic school like harvard or something in ameriland?
     
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  2. TeeKay

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    It's plenty possible to be aesthetic without gear. What advice are you looking for? It seems you already know that the next step is measuring food.
     


  3. TeeKay

    TeeKay Senior member

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    It's true. If anything, stretching has been shown to increase the risk of injury. Not sure about foam rolling since I don't really care to read up on it.

    And on cadavers...fascia looks like fascia. By the time you become a cadaver it'll look like shit regardless of what you do
     


  4. Aidan K

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    Yep, fixing some of these issues is a priority at the moment. This week is a deload + doing some of the neanderthal no more exercises, and depending on how the week goes I will extend it through next week. Then I just have to make the time to keep up on it regularly going forward.

    Yes, I agree. I guess my goal was mildy mis-stated, in that I still want to maintain/increase 1RM whilst hopefully looking like I even lift. This is where the accessory work comes in: 4-5 sets of 10-12 squats after the top singles should help in the hypertrophy regard. But nothing is immutable, I'll look to stick with the program for at least 4 months, but if it doesnt look like it will help me meet my goals I'll look for something else.
     


  5. Coldsnap

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    Yea but was that study done on the general population? Because #1 general population sucks at working out and #2 general population does half reps. I literally cannot show up to the gym, grab a bar, and do a full overhead press/bench/squat/deadlift. I need like 15mins of warmups to get myself in the correct positions and also feel strong at full mobility.

    Also I noticed we changed the word from soft tissue work to stretching. I don't do a lot of static stretching at all, a little on the hams ankles and pecs but that's about it.
     
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  6. Aidan K

    Aidan K Senior member

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    I found IF tough to bulk on for this reason. Perfect for a cut, though! Look into the high-cal good macro desserts they post about, this helps hit cal targets.

    This.

    Static stretching after exercise does have some benefit, again largely due to ROM improvements. Some limited research has started to come out confirming that pre-exercise SMR has the ROM improvement without a decrease in muscle activation or force generation (eg http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22580977).

    Plus there is anecdotal evidence. I feel much better after doing consistent SMR. There is no research showing voodoo flossing works, but there is no denying my knee and elbow issues reduce after doing it. When these techniques become popularised, it sometimes take science some time to catch up.
     
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  7. TeeKay

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    There's been multiple studies on the topic...some on athletes. I'm posting from my phone right now(or I would link), but if you just search for "stretching + injury" in google scholar some will undoubtedly pop up.
     


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    Kind of talking out of my ass, but an ex gf of mine went to University of Connecticut Hartford for a year of undergrad and it was $40,000. Anything Ivy League is probably going to be a lot more than that.

    Here's is a chart from Harvard Business School: http://www.hbs.edu/mba/financial-aid/Pages/cost-summary.aspx
     
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  9. Coldsnap

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    I don't know about static stretches. All I do is soft tissue work then mobility, mobility in my mind is v. different that stretching. You said soft tissue work has no benefit, then went on to stretching. I can argue all day about the benefits of soft tissue work but stretching I'm not sure. It takes so much lbs of pressure to actually change the length of a tissue that I almost think static stretching is bullshit, I think of it as more of "relaxing". As in the little static stretching I do I imagine in my mind the muscle I'm trying to stretch and I breath through it and relax it.
     


  10. jarude

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    a good feel



    re: diet, this thread has a hard-on for carb nite but it is generally advisable to focus on end-of-day totals as opposed to obsessing over what time it is when you eat. fasting protocols are all well and good and are great for dietary adherence, but end-of-day totals reign supreme. don't miss the forest for the trees; what>>>>when. if IF or carb nite or whatever helps you stick to it, then great, but don't confuse the method with the actual substance.

    re: programming, if you are absolutely set on doing that routine i would do something like
    quads: back squat and front squats or leg press
    hammies: deadlift variation (rdl, conventional, sumo, whatever) and DB good mornings or hamstring curls

    i dont know anything about you or your training or what has worked for you in the past, but doing squats/front squats/deadlifts/good mornings in one day sounds like a real bastard. you may be able to do more with less. squats/leg press and deadlifts/ham curl might be more manageable. what have you done in the past - have you been able to progress well with that kind of workload? or are you cherrypicking a program and diving in headfirst?


    i don't know anything about it reducing injury but it feels pretty effin good and has helped me retain mobility and ROM. areas i neglect to stretch are tight as fuck and result in brutal pain when i get it massaged out whereas areas i do stretch always feel nice. might be confirmation bias or anecdotal evidence, but i don't think its enough to discount static stretches altogether on account of them not reducing injury when they provide other useful benefits.

    on the note of massages, i highly highly recommend people go for them if it's reasonable for their finances. obviously everyone is different, but it has solved every injury related to or preventing me from training, increased mobility, improved my posture, etc. getting deep tissue work done in my low back and hammies feels like an absolute bastard and hurt like a fuck but it is so so worth it. a combination of regular massage therapy and static stretching has improved my lower body flexibility to the point of balls on the floor squatting with a narrow stance. don't go for the fluffy relaxation stuff, make sure to indicate you want some real pain and you will be quite thankful for it in the long run.
     
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  11. Aidan K

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    Best diet advice i ever received. Basically a synopsis of a bunch of Lyle Macdonald/Alan Aragon wisdom.

    1. Set calorie targets. Use http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/ to estimate daily maintenance. Add 500 cals a day to gain, drop 500 a day to lose.
    2. Set protein targets. 1 to 1.2g of protein per pound of body mass is a good ball park to start.
    3. Set fat targets. 0.4g/lb of body mass is generally ok.
    4. Fill everything else in with carbs.
    5. Count all your food. Get a cheap digital scale from amazon. Sign up to fitday/fatsecret/ (there's an app for that). After a while you will be good at eyeballing portions, but until then weigh everything.
    6. Comply. After a few weeks you'll have some data about rate of gain/loss for your body, and you can readjust your calorie goals.

    Seems to work for a lot of people, plus you get a bit more educated about what you're eating. Downside is you have to put some effort in - but you want dem abz, right?
     


  12. jarude

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    if anyone is sick of counting calories, try counting portions instead. very, very easy, no hassle, same results (given you aren't braindead). also you don't have to freak out because you're eating out somewhere and you don't have a food scale and oh god my macros.
     


  13. Aidan K

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    You also need to make a distinction between static and dynamic stretching. But yes, there are some studies that show static stretching as having a deleterious impact on performance and potential injury. There some studies that show no such correlation when combined with other dynamic warm up methods. One extensive review (from 2010):

    Quote: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20030776
     


  14. Aidan K

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    Completely agree. The strict counting thing isnt necessary for that long a period of time ime. But the average person has a terrible understanding of the macro and caloric contents of food portions, so it often takes a period of counting to learn these things. The average lifter is smarter than the average person, for sure, but sometimes it is good to educate oneself. I think this approach has a much higher long-term compliance rate than a defined meal plan approach.
     


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    On my phone so I can't quote everyone but thanks for the advice!

    Can barley walk today. :plain:
     


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