Random health and exercise thoughts

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  1. fuji

    fuji Senior member

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    Well my reps are not always berutiful form. Last 5 or so of that set of 20 with 105kg were probably pretty shit, but of course I think i'm stronger then someone squatting 120kg or deadlifting 140kg for a single with text book form because I can do that too. Wonder what my max is now, probably 165ish. Might try it when I get bored of making so many gains. Also someone walked in front of my mirror space when I was deadlifting today, new years resolutioners everywhere.
     
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    True, but i look at people who have given up on form and I think to myself I could lift that much or even more if I didn't care about form. I guess it's just two schools of thought. The dude who taught me how to lift is 36 years old and has powerlifted through his adult life with very little injuries. He's a complete form Nazi so I guess that's how I am.
     
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    I did box squats at 1.5xBW almost to failure on Monday and I have barely been able to walk ever since. Worst DOMS ever. That's what I get for being out of the gym for 1.5 weeks I suppose.

    I'm giving up the cutting/bulking crap. I'm just gonna lift and try to stick to eating meat and veggies and occasional carbs, and if I get too chubby I'm just gonna eat less. Sick of weighing food and stuff. Maybe in a few months I'll change my mind.
     
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    Godspeed you. That worked OK for me getting stronger / bigger, but as far as having a decent body fat it did not.
     
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    I've found this more in the deadlift then the squat. If I'm maxing out my squat and if I fall at all out of my groove or descend to fast or look forward I'll miss the rep, everything needs to be perfect, except once your out of the hole and you can loose tightness a bit. Can just yolo fuck loads of weight off the floor in the deadlift though.
     
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    I think I'm trying to indirectly cut by building muscle but it probably won't work and my hatred of being chubby will outweigh my laziness eventually.
     
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    I think you're confusing form with partial movements.

    The whole point of using good technique and form is to maximize leverage thus maximize weight lifted and also minimize risk of injury.

    The guys you see with less than perfect technique or form could probably lift MORE with optimal tech/form.

    But if you are getting into half squats and benching, that's a different story. Those aren't even the actual movement imo. But if you're seeing guys deadlifts with shitty technique throwing up a certain poundage, you better believe that if he fixed his technique up, he'll be pulling more.
     
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    Brb, going to PR on paused pin presses and paused floor presses today.


    Going for....


    Pin presses

    - 365 x 5 + 5

    Floor presses

    - 295 x 5 + 5



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    Im not good with the English but I am very opinionated

    Its a problem

    But GN said it better than me. Basically the idea that back squats + deads be must-do exercises across all spectrums of lifting seems silly to me. That is like suggesting every noob start off doing cleans. Theyre not terrible exercises and with practice they can be done great + generate gains. But theres easier + less risky means to what most lifters want I think.
     
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    I tried to make a squat/dead-less program for my dad/bro/coworkers. This is what I came up with:

    All exercises 3 sets of 8 to 10. Try and do more weight or reps than last time.

    A) Chest, Shoulders, Triceps.

    Bench Press
    Dumbell Fly
    Dumbell Shoulder Press
    Deltoid Lateral/Front Raise
    Tricep Pushdown
    Planks

    B) Legs, Back, Biceps.

    Dumbell Lunge
    Hamstring Curl
    Leg Press
    Pullups/Assisted Pull-up
    Dumbell Row
    Bicep Curl
    Calf raises
     
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    Obviously you DL more than me, but if your back is rounding because you can't maintain enough core strength to prevent it from doing that, doesn't that mean doing a 'pure' DL would have you doing less weight? Sure if I start rounding I can load up more plates than I do now, but I'm actively working on fixing my form to not do that and I'm nowhere near the numbers I'd put up with awful form.
     
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    Would be a sound argument if your basis wasn't completely wrong.

    A "pure" deadlift is breaking the weight off level ground (no deficit or blocks), and locking out without hitching or ramping the weight. How you perform that is up to you.

    A lot of powerlifters pull with a rounded back because it increases leverage and their efficiency. And proper technique is all about leverage.

    Yes, a rounded back a lot of times means your are way out of position and that you are in danger of hurting yourself, but use it correctly and someone may put themselves in a more efficient position. Basically shitty deadlift form usually comes with a rounded back but a rounded back deadlift isn't always an indication of bad form or what you call a "pure DL" lol

    If you got a problem with that, you should go tell KK, Pete Rubish, Chris Hickson, and a bunch of other top level guys that they're deadlifting wrong and show them how to deadlift. Hell, you can show ME.
     
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    Maybe that was a bit harsh, but what I really wanted to point out was just this:

    Basically shitty deadlift form usually comes with a rounded back but a rounded back deadlift isn't always an indication of bad form or what you call a "pure DL"
     

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