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Random health and exercise thoughts

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Eason, Dec 20, 2009.

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  1. joshuadowen

    joshuadowen Senior Member

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    Not really worried about that. Like I said, this wasn't out of nowhere. My body is pretty well adapted to a near-zero carb intake and I've fasted before. I have no symptoms of metabolic damage. My energy levels are fine. I've got very little appetite. I'm losing about a pound a day. I'm taking in plenty of protein so muscle loss should be little to none. My workouts aren't suffering.

    There's literally no reason to think that I should suffer any sort of "metabolic damage" from this. On a more general note, I haven't read a single scientifically rigorous article/study that says "metabolic damage" is even a real thing. If you've got one, kindly share it.
     


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    Rambo Stylish Dinosaur

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    depth is key. if you can't manage that, cycling (spin class, doing cardio on the bike, etc.) is great for the outer quads.
     


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    This is considered deep btw:

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    Are those 100lb plates? That's some serious bar bend.
     


  5. Flame

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    Maybe the bar itself is super springy.
     


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    Eason Bicurious Racist

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    It will cause your thyroid levels, and testosterone to go hit bottom while your cortisol will go up. Your metabolism gets repressed, I call that damage. These are physiological facts.
     


  7. joshuadowen

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    It sounds to me like you are regurgitating the shit of fear-mongers, rather than sharing any useful science. Long-term fasting and/or calorie restriction affect baseline levels of these hormones. The effect, however, is not cumulative (i.e., testosterone levels don't continue to drop as the fast goes on, and cortisol levels don't continue to rise). These baselines return to normal as soon as the fast is broken and/or calorie intake is restored. The metabolism changes during a fast, yes. It also returns to normal after the fast. That's the science.

    Now, whether or not this damaging is all about context. Certain people will definitely experience negative effects from these hormonal changes:
    - people will blood sugar regulation issues
    - people with existing thyroid issues
    - people with already low testosterone levels
    - people with already low body-fat levels
    - people with little muscle mass

    The horror stories that get told about "starvation diets" aren't about the diet. They are about anorexia. People with already low levels of body fat shouldn't undertake long-term fasts or calorie restriction. Bad things happen. Duh. They experience negative effects even after they go back to normal eating. Because of the caloric restriction? No. Because they are underweight and malnourished and this has negative effects on their health.

    In my case, I'm a generally healthy 28 year-old with no thyroid issues, no blood sugar issues, healthy testosterone levels, significant muscle mass levels, and greater than 20 percent body-fat. Will the PSMF effect my hormone levels? Yes. I expect to lose a little bit of muscle mass and a lot of fat as a result. After my body-fat levels have decreased (but while they are still within a healthy range), I will resume maintenance eating, my hormone levels will return to normal, and everything will be fine.
     


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    Well it's your body, you can diet however you want. I don't really see why you're in such a rush to lose fat at a rate which will lose you more muscle than usual.
     


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    I'm eating like 200+ grams of protein a day and continuing to lift. I'm not foreseeing muscle loss.
     


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    I'm losing weight (and bf) since squatting x3 a week.

    Today weighted in @ 71kg. Am I right in increasing protein intake to maintain muscle. My lower body has grown but upper seems to have shrunk.

    Lifts are not affected though.
     
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    take this with a grain of salt -

    if you are losing weight and BF then your lower body probably just looks bigger rather than growing bigger or you have a sweet pump going on which isnt unreasonable given you are squatting every other day (im guessing). your upper body probably seems to be shrinking because you're losing weight and doing proportionately more leg work (im guessing).

    nothing wrong with more protein, though - i would probably wait until strength gains stall before upping it. how much are you taking in right now? do you want to be losing weight / higher strength:bodyweight ratio?
     


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    1.1 - 1.2g per lb of bw now...would like to maintain weight and keep bf around 10, just increase strength.
     


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    On vacation in Florida. Trying to hit macros. I'm lifting at an awesome gym will some old buddies, so excited!
     


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    keep on keepin' on then. i wouldn't worry about minor fluctuations in weight; once your gains stall and/or you continue to lose too much weight, adjust cals upwards to where the gains come back.

    i wouldnt stress too much about protein, as long as it is adequate which it sounds like it is. i wish i was at your stage right now where i could just make minor adjustments either way to support either size and greater strength gains or get leaner while staying at a respectable BF%. soon..
     


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    Thanks bros. Dem feels are already clearing up as I started going through my fb and seeing how many of my lady acquaintances that would always hit on me but i disregarded were eligable.

    Gonna rock 2013 so hard.
     
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