Random health and exercise thoughts

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  1. jarude

    jarude Senior member

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    They probably have some use for sport specific training but there are better tools to use I would think. Did a lot of balance board stuff at hockey school but single leg training would be mo betta
     


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    srs question; will you not have a higher 1rm if you increase time under tension when training? Is rocketing down into your squat like that not similar to bouncing the bar off your chest during a bench press vs. doing a paused press (ie; good if you're looking for a bigger 1rm because you recruit the elastic potential in your muscles, less good if you are looking to put maximum load on your muscles during training)? That's the way it was described to me and confirmed by lots of broscience articles I've read just googled now.
     
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  3. mrchariybrown

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    You will have a higher 1RM if you squat in the technique that you are most efficient in. Some guys powerbomb, so don't. No right/wrong way as long as your form is good. For example, I do not feel comfortable with a quick descent but I know plenty of strong(er) guys that are comfortable with it.


    Yes and no. Depends on what context you're speaking of. Just a regular bench press where you have to just touch your chest and lockout and squat where you just have to hit parallel at the very least? Similar IF ____<- see my first answer.

    Not similar, in most instances, if you're talking about powerlifting where you have to pause the bar on your chest before the press command.

    You are confusing with that statement "good if you're looking for a bigger 1rm".. so you already agree that you will get a higher 1rm with powerbombing (dropping into the hole quickly)? Why even bring this up in the first place? lol


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    I was thinking that order to get stronger you had to work your muscles harder and by minimizing your bounce out of the hole you would be forced to put more 'work' behind the lift. I'm assuming (wrongly?) that most people are less concerned with a 1rm and more concerned with overall strength and (in my brain) someone who can do the lift with less bounce out of the hole is stronger (just like someone who can pause bench "x" weight is stronger than someone who needs to do it touch and go).

    Is there any other kind when it comes to gymming?
     
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  5. mrchariybrown

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    Technique is more important to development than anything. Why would you kill good technique that works for the individual just for a slow descent? A quick descent doesn't mean there's no control. And a slow descent doesn't mean there is good control. I've seen some shitastic squatting with raw guys squatting slow.


    What is "overall strength" for a squat opposed to your 1rm or 3rm or 5rm or whatever Xrm for a squat? 1rm is just that, an indication of overall strength for a squat.

    Second part depends on what perspective you're looking at from. From a powerlifting standpoint? Duh, I agree because you HAVE to pause the bar on the chest. It doesn't pertain to a squat. Why not make my own rules to make the squat harder? 10 second descent and 10 second ascent or it ain't a proper squat in my eyes lol. The only thing you have to consider for a squat really is that they hit/break parallel. Speed is your friend on squats (raw for the most part) and to deny yourself of it doesn't make you look stronger. It makes you look like you don't know how to squat.




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    :cheers: milk and oats, brah.
     


  7. mrchariybrown

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    I do like milk though.
     


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    Honestly doesn't look that bad. Stance looks pretty wide to me, but hard to tell from this video. There's also some lumbar flexion at the very bottom. You may or may not be able to eliminate that by controlling the bar more on the way down. I agree with Mr. Brown that there's generally nothing wrong with diving into the bottom of a squat like that, but if it prevents you from keeping your core tight and your spine neutral, it's worth seeing what slowing down a bit will do for you.
     


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    put on some fucking socks!
     


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    Stance : I use hip width, or slightly over shoulder width.

    Lumbar flexion : a flexibility issue. Been working on stretching 4-6x a week. I descent fast bc I would like maximal carryover to explosiveness. Read somewhere high bar should actively pull the bar down into the descent, that's what I do.

    Socks : nah. The floor feels slippery with them on. Will lift in zero drop shoes next time.
     
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  11. joshuadowen

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    Hip width is good. Shoulder width is wider than hip width, so if you are squatting wider than should width, that's a very wide stance, and probably isn't doing you any favors. With a stance that wide, it's difficult to externally rotate the hips and fully engage the glutes.
     


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    K will take a pic tmr. Thanks for the comments bros.

    Joshua: if I narrow my stance, how much can I rotate my feet out? I don't think my mobility allows for narrow feet pointed ahead stance. In retrospect I squat beyond hips but less than shoulders
     
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  14. joshuadowen

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    In between hips and shoulder width is fine, but from the video it looked wider than that. Like I said initially, was hard to tell for sure from that angle.

    RE: toes, mobility, and that article Lagrangian posted. Toes turned out isn't the worst thing in the world. It's definitely a compensation for less-than-perfect hip mobility, and you might lose a little bit of strength from your glutes as a result, but it's a minor thing. Keep working on hip mobility, try not to let the toes point out too far, and focus on the other aspects of your form, and it won't kill you.
     


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    Altering lift tempo is a valid training technique.
     


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