Random health and exercise thoughts

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Eason, Dec 20, 2009.

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  1. Coldsnap

    Coldsnap Senior member

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    There's a podcast with Kiefer and Robb Wolfe that talks about how the dirty carbs are the best for CBL because of insuline spike lengths. Dirty carbs will spike you real fast then bring you back down, while stuff like yams and sweet potatoes will keep your insulin levels elevated much longer. So you sorta get the spike, prolong it for a few hours by constant feeding, then wake up in the morning with low insulin sensitivity. It's explained in the PDF but on a pretty advance level. I actually did due diligence and got blood work before starting this diet. I'm going to check it in 2-3 months and see if anything has changed. I'm going to start testing with cleaner foods too that will spike insulin fast, like a lot of gluten free items (fruity pebbles are gluten free). Also eating grassfed beef and mostly organic stuff.
     


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    I think you're over-doing it too ColdSnap. I had to read up on CBL but I was already familiar with carb loading. They say eat plenty of carbs and protein but other than the cottage cheese and the 1/2 lb ground beef, there isn't really much protein after your workout.

    Personally I only insulin spike after a workout and will only have a meal that does it at most 1.5 hours after my workout. After that I eat clean. Is your goal to cut weight or bulk?
     


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    I too think you are over-doing it, and would also point out a difference between with a food is "clean" or "dirty" and its glycemic index. I buy the idea that carb sources with a high GI are best for CBL, but that doesn't necessitate you eating junk food.

    Bananas, potatoes, pumpkin, squash, rice, yams, taro, plantains, beets, and carrots are all high GI carb sources that are relatively clean (no gluten, starchy rather than sugary).

    On top of this, if you are looking for a big insulin spike with these late meals, you should also be avoiding fat later in the day. Things like ice cream and pizza, although full of carbs, have lower GIs because all of the fat slows down digestion of the carbs.
     


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    Coldsnap Senior member

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    Gotcha, well I'm keeping a food log and hoping to get advice from professionals on the forum. I will see what they say. I'm not sure how I would eat 300-400g of clean food.
     
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    Eason Bicurious Racist

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    Good lawd that looks incredible.
     


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    Not a lot of time to play devil's advocate here, but I would consider whether or not the reaction here to CS's CBL is a bit kneejerk. "Overdoing it" is an awfully vague feeling being applied to a calculated diet (assuming he has calc'd those cals and carbs out, which I read that he did). I generally do a CBL although less extreme / more "reddit" inspired and it has modified what I view as "clean" which is another vague complaint in the past couple posts. For example, I would really consider homemade ice cream and cheesecake to be post workout clean foods, no problem, as I have controlled the preservative / chemical content. It is hard to get cleaner than cream, milk, eggs, sugar, and vanilla.
     


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    Eason Bicurious Racist

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    Chicken tikka masala, butter chicken, two buckets of rice, and some cheddar sun chips. You know, to keep it healthy.
     


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    you are looking awesome and you should enjoy your life.
     


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    My IF CBL days look like this:


    Wake up 9-10 ish

    Big cup of black cofee

    12-14 class

    14:30 pre workout meal (breaks the fast): 120 g canned tuna, 2 boiled eggs, big salad, 1 spoon olive oil and some vinegar, 100 g cottage cheese

    16:00 workout

    18:00 The Big Feast (split into two meals): 500g sweet potatoes, 350g brown rice, 500g chicken breast, 500g veggies, 150g greek yoghurt
    Dessert: 120g oatmeal, 200 g berries, low fat milk, apple

    21:00 Rest of the feast + dessert (casein protein powder, almonds, flax seeds)


    Comes out to 4000 cal for the day - 550g carbs, 70g fat, 250g protein
    Pre workout is approx 600 kcal - 35g carbs, 25g fat, 55g protein
     


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    Gotcha. That is clean. I think too clean though. Kiefer really hammers it home that people who are changing the diet to have clean food in it. are not doing it right. The diet still works, just not as good, that's what he says. Which makes me think I'm going to do it dirty for a bit then once my body fat is at a low number, I will change it up for health / longevity.


    Yea good point. And what's wrong with pizza too? I know plenty of jacked dudes that eat pizza. I aim for a gram of protein per bodyfat on my backload days, i know someone said something about not getting enough protein.
     
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