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Random health and exercise thoughts

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Eason, Dec 20, 2009.

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  1. jarude

    jarude Senior member

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    Unless everyone lives with perfect posture and can hold a balls-on-the-floor squat stretch with no butt wink and their back in the proper position then they shouldn't speak ill of mobility work.

    Ime deep massage, soft tissue work and more recently foam rolling have probably made the biggest difference for me in terms of treating and preventing injury, as well as increasing mobility and ROM for full body movements. This is hefty confirmation bias on my end, but I sincerely believe people decrying mobility and soft tissue work simply don't know beneficial it can be for them.

    I think its important to look at the context and make sure we're all talking about the same things. There's a big difference between someone doing static squat stretches to improve ROM or foam rolling out a trigger point and someone mindlessly doing a bunch of purposeless static stretches because the poster on the gym wall said so.

    TK, I really think you should get a few sessions of deep tissue massage done by a good RMT before you bash all things mobility related.
     
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    the human body is not a car though.

    I still don't see how mobility work does anything but increase mobility. That's a good thing if you need the mobility, but it's unnecessary if you don't.

    I say this as someone who has a lot of work to do to increase mobility so that I can do a proper overhead squat. But once I get to that point, I would suggest that the simple act of actually overhead squatting will be enough to maintain the mobility required.




    I'm only talking about people who have the ability to perform proper exercises and do them properly.

    And yes, I do think a low bar powerlifting backsquat is a proper exercise and I don't think you need very much mobility to perform it properly, but that's besides the point. (deadlift too, you don't really need much mobility work to do a deadlift properly)

    The point is that you do mobility work for mobility. Not for anything else.
     
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    I'm not saying I can do this and I'm not speaking ill of mobility work - I think it's great...for increasing mobility. And that's what I'll use it for.

    When I can do a proper overhead squat with perfect form it's going out the window.
     
  4. jarude

    jarude Senior member

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    Yes, except mobility and ROM are not mutually exclusive. Ensuring you have proper mobility is just as much about being able to maintain proper posture at a desk job without ***internal rotation*** as it is about lifting properly.

    Not to mention to injury prevention and rehab benefits. Get some actual deep tissue work done or learn enough to do it properly and consistently.. You might be surprised.
     
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    I have teh asian genetics, come at me sitting in a full wall squat with my feet touching, vertical spine and no heel raise. Obvs how we all do it playing mahjong on the floor. Usually just sit in an overhead squat for like a minute with 40kg one in a while, probably helps with mobility.
     
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    There's a lot of similarities to a car and the body. Parts and body parts have their specific job, when they stop working it can be assessed and changed. Also when one thing goes, other things will start going as a result. Mobility work does a lot more than just increase mobility, it also strengthens the area and teach muscles to correctly fire. I like to have mobility past the point of where I train, others don't and that's fine but it's nice to know I possibly have a buffer on my 100% sets.

    I know you're chasing to overhead squat but let me put it this way. When I competed in olympic weightlifter I never mobilized, I pretty much put 100% of my trust in my coach because I was winning medals and happy. I asked him why we never mobilized and his response was that the body finds a way. Which is right, but I don't agree with him now. The way that the body will find isn't always the best way. Stuff gets tight then weak then dont fire and other things take over. I lifted in a crossfit gym on some days and people would comment how great my mobility is, but in fact it was actually piss poor yet my body was just use to the positions.
     
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    of course they're not. Getting to a proper ROM is dependent upon good mobility. I'm not arguing that at all.


    Look I'm not arguing against good posture or proper rotation or anything like that.

    I'm just skeptical of mobility work in order to enhance anything but mobility.
     
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    Haha, my earlier reply was unintentionally appropriate. I agree with the ohs example - the thing is there are a lot of chronic issues that people would benefit from fixing as opposed to only targeting something like proper ohs ROM. Something like shoulder rotation or shitty posture is more of an ongoing thing that specific mobility work can target. I think a lot of that can largely be "treated" by a lifting routine itself (e.g. appropriate push pull balance) but I think there's a lot of benefit to doing a generic-ish mobility routine or doing some tissue work that will address the common issues people will run into.
     
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    I've always wondered how much the top lifters mobilize, but I guess when you're on so much Tren and other shit it doesn't matter. The only person that mobilizes as much as me in my gym is a strongman who has won Arnolds 2x in his weight class and also has an elite raw total (the only raw lifter in my gym to have an elite total, there are 2 geared elites though).
     
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  10. jarude

    jarude Senior member

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    I think MOBILITY could be another slogan for the rhet 2013 shirt
     
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    rhet is stochastic
     
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    I can't get into an overhead squat position...
     
  14. hendrix

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    Me neither.

    You probably don't need to.

    The only reason I need to is because I'm trying to learn the snatch.
     
  15. Coldsnap

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    I prescribe you drop snatches.
     
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    Well, I have until I can do an overhead squat.

    Or are you saying all together?
     
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    I brought one down from NYC

    I am the better cook tho
     
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    Depends on what you want

    You can grow legs and build a solid core w/o mastering dangerous + technical lifts like heavy deads, back squats, snatches etc.

    I think there needs to be an honest re-evaluation of what core lifts should be. There seems to be this projection of powerlifting routines on average bros. I think people should def train legs and lower back... but I don't think they need heavy back squats and deads to do so effectively. They are needlessly dangerous lifts for people who aren't competing. For someone looking to grow quads, simple leg press would yield faster results than squats, as they wouldnt have to spend years just learning how to do them.
     
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    Is the said shirt really gonna happen?
     
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    Did a back squat kill your father and rape your mother? There isn't anything inherently dangerous about either lift and unless you are full on retard it should take you weeks and not years to get form dialed in.

    I might agree in the case of Bb complexes and power cleans, but only because most gyms aren't set up to accommodate those lifts.
     

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