ln-cc's measurements are pretty spot on... edit: keep in mind the measurements are of the garments laid out flat, unstretched. eg i have 17 inch shoulders, but i wear XS in silent (silent stretches bigtime. bigga thyme.) Rad, many thanks. holey shirts: desperate, or next level? Desperately next-level. Or next-level desperate. Explain how a country could be far from EVERYTHING. I'm curious... Australia? I mean, it's overseas from and on a different continent than everywhere else... just added a bunch of stuff to my sales topic (not that anyone here would be interested) Part of me sees some awesomeness in the leather pants. The slightly more rational part of me recognizes that this would be a terrible idea.