Good example of SF group think. No one had anything good to say about, then Mauro picks up a lot of their cuts for spring '09 and suddenly, Crate is allegedly the best denim you can buy for that price. dead on about the power of groupthink on here Not really. Crate had been popular on the board for years, but by 09 it had just fallen off the radar a bit. A lot of respected posters supported them (Whodini, Get Smart). The board beasted over their khakis (in 08?). More than a few affiliates carried them. They were never as popular as APC, but had a strong following and a good reputation. Maybe their quality has declined, but they obviously put out a good product at one point. Probably the reason expectations for the Farinelli's collab were high. But hey, GROUPTHINK!!!!