Random Fashion Thoughts (Part 3: Style farmer strikes back) - our general discussion thread

[GG Allin]

This is the kind of thing a sophomore philosophy major would say while smoking a doobie at a house party.

I actually think his book is alright.

 

[Jonas251]

Idk if you guys know about rif (la and sf sneaker consignment) but they also got looted. From my experience the people there are cool and pretty rooted in the communities in which they operate. The owner posted on Twitter that he lost 1m worth of inventory and will only be getting 200k back. For the sneaker heads out there buying on stock x, might be a nice change of pace to head over to rif.la and help them out. Also the people there are way better at authenticating than stock x. They got a dude who can spot fakes by the smell of the glue.

 

[Timbaland]

I will say that I don't know the context of Needs role in the community. There's a lot of comments about poor treatment of workers and no representation of POC designers

I feel like you could say this about a lot of companies. Nike and other large companies also put out statements on the matter but how many of them actually have POC in high level positions or are actively doing things in the community? Nike isn't the best example as they do support Kaepernick but I do hope they did invest some of the profit they made supporting him in the cause.

The difference is large companies have the money/resources and have people who know how to write statements. Need does not and is being targeted.

 

[Maxwellll]

Need and Totokaelo are owned by Herschel Supply Co. arent they? Thats white as fuuu.

 

[dieworkwear]

Need and Totokaelo are owned by Herschel Supply Co. arent they? Thats white as fuuu.

?? What kind of comment is this?

Instagram solidarity posts are generally stupid and meaningless. They are literally in and of themselves virtue signals. The whole thing is disingenuous. If you want to help go do something to make the world a better place. Take your time, energy and resources and do something with them. I hate when people think making a woke post on the internet is somehow akin to positive action.

I don't see how this is virtue signaling when the profitable thing to do is to say nothing. Companies lose followers when they speak up.

Honestly bizarre to me that anyone would take issue with someone saying it's wrong to put a knee on someone's neck.

 

[Fuuma]

?? What kind of comment is this?



I don't see how this is virtue signaling when the profitable thing to do is to say nothing. Companies lose followers when they speak up.

Honestly bizarre to me that anyone would take issue with someone saying it's wrong to put a knee on someone's neck.

NIke doesn't mind losing some customers (temporarily at best) and some goodwill with the same demographics to gain some exposure and better image within a larger one that they're targeting. I think @London advises brands on that stuff (might have misunderstood) but I mean it is pretty straightforward.

 

[Fuuma]

Fuuma got a new gig? Sweet.

The above post is fake, I had to sign an agreement stating I wouldn't use the M-word as Marxism isn't in their brand core values or something.

 

[GoldenTribe]

I don't see how this is virtue signaling when the profitable thing to do is to say nothing. Companies lose followers when they speak up.

I'm not sure that's true any more -- at the very least, the extent to which it's is true is in flux. I've encountered a number of different [credible] reports in the last couple of years to the effect that there is a growing cohort of younger consumers who explicitly demand "socially conscious" messaging (or whatever the correct general term is now) from their preferred brands. But I feel like that's kind of self-evident these days.

When I logged into Facebook today, I was greeted by a convoy of identical posts from all the Warner Bros. movies I've ever liked (The Matrix, A Clockwork Orange, etc.). They could have posted it once on their corporate page, but they obviously wanted to maximize its visibility:

 

[Fuuma]

Sure but there's also the argument that silence is not acceptable. At least people starting openly that this is a problem and we empathize and stand with the protestors is necessary for the people who are ambivalent about it

Is your circle of friends ambivalent about it? I mean all I see is some #racismbad people talking to other #racismbad people (some of them possibly also actual militant or taking other actions, sure) and brands saying #Racismbad #wokebrand #girlboss #buymyshit #dontforgetme. I personally don't need to take any action cause those posts and the insuing intervention by #Pepsi will cure racism.

 

[Jonas251]

?? What kind of comment is this?



I don't see how this is virtue signaling when the profitable thing to do is to say nothing. Companies lose followers when they speak up.

Honestly bizarre to me that anyone would take issue with someone saying it's wrong to put a knee on someone's neck.

I don’t have a problem with that statement, I have a problem with the culture that forces people to feel like they have to which makes such statements disingenuous.

If for one second you think publicly traded companies are making decisions based on anything other than shareholder profit, you are naive.

In regard to the comment on losing followers, do some research on Nike and Kaep, think about what fumma has been saying about class and value structures and get back to me.

 

[dieworkwear]

I'm not sure that's true any more -- at the very least, the extent to which it's is true is in flux. I've encountered a number of different [credible] reports in the last couple of years to the effect that there is a growing cohort of younger consumers who explicitly demand "socially conscious" messaging (or whatever the correct general term is now) from their preferred brands. But I feel like that's kind of self-evident these days.

When I logged into Facebook today, I was greeted by a convoy of identical posts from all the Warner Bros. movies I've ever liked (The Matrix, A Clockwork Orange, etc.). They could have posted it once on their corporate page, but they obviously wanted to maximize its visibility:

Some small brands have told me that they've lost followers when they've posted political things.

Anyway, it's utterly bizarre to me that people think the choice is between doing absolutely nothing and doing the absolute fullest.

I think norms and culture have an incredible impact on political outcomes. Corporate messaging is also part of norms. Small business messaging is also part of norms/ culture. I think it's nice that some brands and small businesses are now reinforcing those norms.

In international politics, you can see how norms around human rights have resulted in some real political outcomes, even when there's no real global enforcement. It's one of the clearest cases of how norms matter.

I really hate how some people view everything through cynicism. It's like they equate cynicism with intelligence.

 

[Jonas251]

I don’t know about everyone else, but I don’t consider myself cynical. I simply think that judging someone based on a social media post is worthless/a waste of time. Like I said, people should do stuff, and many are, and we should be focusing on that

 

[dieworkwear]

I simply think that judging someone based on a social media post is worthless/a waste of time.

?? But you literally just judged a bunch of brands on their social media posts and said they're virtue signaling?

 

[Fuuma]

?? But you literally just judged a bunch of brands on their social media posts and said they're virtue signaling?

How dare you question the sincerity of my soda brand!!! Dude seriously.

 

[dieworkwear]

How dare you question the sincerity of my soda brand!!! Dude seriously.

Honestly so stupid. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If you post something regular, like "check out our latest spring arrivals," you will seem tone-deaf.

If you post something about your company's values, people will accuse you of virtue signaling.

It has nothing to do with the people who are posting and everything to do with how people are deeply cynical. Saying phrases like "late stage capitalism" = "I'm so smart."

Anyway, I hope brands just do whatever they think is right, regardless of how they're judged. It's literally impossible to do anything without pissing people off nowadays cause everyone is a cynic.