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Random Fashion Thoughts (Part 3: Style farmer strikes back) - our general discussion thread

King Calder

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The real issue here is not that this is an assault on meritocracy, but that these elite private schools need to protect their property. If you can get in by being merely rich and bribing few people, you are really undermining the value of the admissions to the truly wealthy who more or less ensure their children's admissions with much larger donations than the sums paid by these individuals. Some star off of Full House doesn't really qualify as wealthy. Basically, 1%ers are the poors in this situation, and USC is really more about making sure that they can't backdoor admissions in a way that is generally reserved for the top 0.01%.
This is correct. Admission spots are the school's property to be sold, bartered with, or given away however the schools see fit -- the fake charity and the parents were stealing these spots from the colleges and selling them at a discount on a black market. Yes, broadly speaking American meritocracy is a sham and we can be mad at elite schools for being finishing schools largely for the wealthy and elite, but this story is only tangentially related to that phenomenon at best.
 

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It’s interesting, the smartest people I have ever met tend to end up in a back room toiling away. By far, influence or the ability to influence has been typically the thing I’ve seen that gets people farthest.
 

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The fact is that even if wealth is the reason a Princeton kid could go to TJ, that doesn't change the fact that he's already been doing calculus for three years by the time he enters, plays two instruments and a varsity sport at a high level, and legitimately is in the upper echelon of the population across multiple measures of performance.
Agree with your points in general, esp. how certain nominally liberal arts schools should just go ahead and set up a pre-banking, pre-consulting, pre-law major (which they eschew since preprofessional programs aren't traditionally part of a liberal arts curriculum) and watch the majority of the incoming class choose them (esp. when you include all the people who think they are going to be doctors before they encounter organic chemistry... as I understand how it works). Ha ha.

I'd note however that quite simply the opportunity to do calculus for three years before entering college is tied to class because of how our primary and secondary education works. A lot of this overachieving and being exceptional that students at elite colleges display is a function of the economic and social resources of their families. These are not the only kids who *could* be exceptional given the resources and opportunity. So, yes, I think what you say is factual, but I'm not entirely sure how mitigating it is in the end.

The world can possibly run just with fancy Ivy or Stanford degree holders, not withstanding the outsize attention and influence these degrees can afford. But a different view would be to look at the average elite college or HBS graduate, not the exceptions. There I'm sure we'd see a distinct advantage conferred by these degrees, whether merited in the end or not.

Will offer a RFT. Going to visit Langlitz Leathers in Portland soon!
 

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store recommendations in seattle? I know blue owl is in town but im curious what recommendations you all have. particularly looking for ervell/schneider/sns, but ill check out anything that has interesting stuff
 

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Agree with your points in general, esp. how certain nominally liberal arts schools should just go ahead and set up a pre-banking, pre-consulting, pre-law major (which they eschew since preprofessional programs aren't traditionally part of a liberal arts curriculum) and watch the majority of the incoming class choose them (esp. when you include all the people who think they are going to be doctors before they encounter organic chemistry... as I understand how it works). Ha ha.

I'd note however that quite simply the opportunity to do calculus for three years before entering college is tied to class because of how our primary and secondary education works. A lot of this overachieving and being exceptional that students at elite colleges display is a function of the economic and social resources of their families. These are not the only kids who *could* be exceptional given the resources and opportunity. So, yes, I think what you say is factual, but I'm not entirely sure how mitigating it is in the end.



The world can possibly run just with fancy Ivy or Stanford degree holders, not withstanding the outsize attention and influence these degrees can afford. But a different view would be to look at the average elite college or HBS graduate, not the exceptions. There I'm sure we'd see a distinct advantage conferred by these degrees, whether merited in the end or not.

Will offer a RFT. Going to visit Langlitz Leathers in Portland soon!
I agree, fancy degrees by and large just put you on a different track in life. Starts tend to be sticky - it’s hard to overcome initial impressions.
 

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can you guys shut the fuck up already and start a new thread
 

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store recommendations in seattle? I know blue owl is in town but im curious what recommendations you all have. particularly looking for ervell/schneider/sns, but ill check out anything that has interesting stuff
Totokaelo for Schneider, Baby & Co is also worth a stop.
 

jet

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vetements customers be a buncha dum dums
 

Nyarlathotep

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I recall a Gvasalia interview where he stated plainly that he doesn't understand people why people buy their stuff, and that he himself sure wouldn't, that the money would be better spent on traveling, etc...

;DD
 

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