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RANCOURT & Co. Shoes - Made in Maine

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by whatever123, Sep 2, 2010.

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  1. wdahab

    wdahab Well-Known Member

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    In the past, they've only upcharged when materials were different. Like, with boat shoes, if you go to a leather sole, that's significantly more work/material cost than just the rubber boat shoe. But if you went from a boat shoe sole to a camp moc sole (which I have), or a different color boat shoe sole, it was the same price. Same thing with leathers, some are more expensive than others.

    But maybe that's changed?
     
  2. FrankCowperwood

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    ^This is what I would say too. Changing material and sole can change the cost of the shoe. You see the same model on their site at different costs based on these factors.

    If they now have a straight MTO charge, though, then that's new and it would be disappointing.
     
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    I have this charge when changing from leather sole to ripple sole, I think it's not unreasonable because they have to build different heel lift.
     
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    This business about Blake construction led me to this wonderful thread on AAAC:

    http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?85307-Shoe-Construction

    What I didn't understand before reading through the above is the difference between Blake and Blake Rapid, which is what Rancourt's doing. Blake is great for sleek dress shoes--arguably better than Goodyear-- but ill-suited for precisely the kinds of shoes Rancourt's making (chukkas, boots...and now possibly brogue derbies). Blake Rapid is perfect for that stuff, however. One thing that occurred to me is that once one has the capability to do Blake Rapid (the machines and the skills to use them), one can do Blake as well and make just about any kind of shoe or boot--including sleek dress shoes. I wonder if Rancourt always had this capability or only recently acquired it so as to expand its product range beyond the hand-sewn/moc construction niche. Just watching the vid, it's clear that it takes more than a machine: one needs to know what one's doing, and such skills don't appear overnight unless, I suppose, one simply recruits people who have them.
     
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    I could have sworn there was a small section in the video comparing this process to the Goodyear
     
  6. Faustuses

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    How often have we seen Brooks Brothers stock the Rancourt beefroll loafers? I'm hoping for another sale on them (brown loafers have long since sold out.)

    Appreciate the insight!
     
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    I was told that anything other than what is shown on the site is considered "custom" and will incur a fee that starts at around $50, which in the case of the shoe I wanted is about a 25% increase. They added this new fee around 6 weeks ago after figuring out what they're costs are. It makes sense in that they are gearing up to have an online customization app, and will soon be bombarded by all sorts of custom orders. The flip side is that a company that doesn't overtly advertise making custom shoes (in this case Quoddy) doesn't charge for simple modifications, probably because they don't get too many custom orders and it's not a big deal to do one here and there. Anyway, I'm certainly not saying Rancourt's shoes aren't worth the (increased) price, but my thinking went from "Wow, I am definitely getting a pair of Rancourts" to "Well, since the cost is higher, maybe I should consider OSB and Quoddy as well" to "Hmm, do I even want to spend $300 on shoes right now?" We'll see.
     
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    Rancourt posted the video on FB again and said



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    The skill that goes into making a good pair of shoes, whether by hand or machine, is impressive. My hat is off the the artisans (bet many of them would laugh at that word...)
     
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    oh my, now they offer cherry cxl? man, i can see me dropping more $$ for my 3rd pair of rancourt...

    those new brogues are interesting too!
     
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    I'd be very happy if they made something like a chunky Trickers brogue, but at a lower price point.
     
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    This seems a bit odd to me. I have placed a customer order within the last 6 weeks and was not charged this fee. Are you sure the particular make up is not more expensive either due to a different leather or sole which might change the cost?
     
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    A fee that "starts at" $50 is not very appealing. Oh well.
     
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    Well, that's disappointing. I just got a pair of custom Quoddy's and they did a pretty decent modification, adding a chromepack saddle onto a chromepack upper (Dawson mocs), which required doing a pretty ornate piece of work on a piece of leather 2x as thick as CXL. Didn't charge me a buck extra, and got me my shoes in 2 weeks flat. Still love my Rancourts, but between that, and still not offering EEE widths, I think I probably have to go over to Quoddy for most future purchases.
     
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    My Quddy's involved no additional charge as well. In fact they told me their rational is that they have to make every pair by hand so it really doesnt matter what the makeup is; I would think the same logic ought to apply for Rancourt...
     
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    If Rancourt offers the service and people are willing to pay, then that's what it is. I just received a pair of MTO Quoddy's as well.
     
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    Very true of course, PhiPsi, and it probably seems worse if you know that it is new. Someone who doesn't realize this and isn't aware of what others do or don't charge will simply see it for what it is, and that's part of the cost of getting shoes from Rancourt.
     
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    Has anyone else heard this from Rancourt?
     
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    ^ I've been emailing back and forth with someone at Rancourt to nail down the details of my next pair of shoes, and she told me basically this same thing when I asked. I gave her the feedback that they really need to mention this fee somewhere on their website, as this thread is the first place I heard about it (including it not being mentioned when asking how to go about ordering a customized pair of shoes).
    It's a little bit bewildering - while I do understand the reasoning for a higher price for a made-to-order shoe, it seems to me that it would cost them the same to make a penny loafer as shown on the site as it would to make the exact same shoe with a different color sole. Especially since in both cases the shoe is being made to order for you and thus they're not filling an order from existing inventory.
     
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    Just had the same experience. Wanted to get a pinch penny loafer with leather sole and heel and the price went from 210->310 even though the exact shoe except as a beefroll loafer is 260.

    Kind of disappointing especially when the modification free version is made only after you order it...
     

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