Bakes, thanks for improving my nomenclature. It had a rubber dove-tail, and tempest was the damn word I could not remember. I like the leather sole, rubber dove-tail look, but I find that i slip-slide all over the place. for my own safety, tempest is better for me. I agree, Rancourt's value prop is having it your way. That's part of the reason why i read this thread, I like to see pictures of what people have come up with. here is the other picture I took at Jack Spade in Soho. honey leather chukkas and a navy venetian loafer.