Ralph lifschitz featured in architectural digest

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  1. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    When it comes to names, nothing beats "Manolo Blahnik".

    Personally, I suspect its really Manny Berkowitz my former classmate from the lower east side...

    JJF
     
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    Anyone seen zoolander. (I loved the snakeskin suit derek wears back to his NJ mining family - far, far, far better than any of that brioni/kiton/attolini crap [​IMG] ) Anyway, the fashion designers change their names. Could the name change be something to do with anti-semitism that was much more prevalent a few decades ago? A good friend told he that his grandfather had changed their family name to Lane from Levine to help the family business. Even today so many companies use italian sounding names to convey, pedigree and quality
     
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    why the use of "lifschitz" faustus??
    Because it shows that Ralph is a phony, and sort of pathetic -a Jewish kid from Brooklyn (?) who wished that he was born into a New England Brahmin clan and spends his whole trying to become someone else. Â A real life Gatsby. Â Sad.
    i think all of us here have been influenced by certain well dressed gentlemen of the past(see thread about style icons)..would ralph be better if he had continued to dress like a poor jewish kid from the Bronx? seeing how most american men dressed in the 50s & 60s i prefer the look that he adopted..let's not hold his marketing genius abd success against him
     
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    Does the inside of Ralph's house look exactly like the inside of one of his stores? Or are the stores modelled after his mansion? I've only been in the store in London but it was most impressive. I imagine him entertaining guests in his parlour surrounded by tweed jackets and flannel pinstripe suits. Perhaps with a well-accessorized manequin on the mantle.
     
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    Its not about anti-semitism. I read a biography of his life, and he was already thinking about picking new names when he was still a little kid. And, his neighborhood was so insular, he really didn't run into that intolerance yet cause everybody else was also jewish.

    I think he changed his name to lauren cause he wanted to sell this pseudo vision of the upper class. Although, its kinda strange since it sounds kinda french and what he really apes is the british aristocracy. Its like, would you buy tires from somebody who didn't know anything about tires. Same with Ralphie. He really doesn't have any special knowledge about what he sells, so he has to convince others he does by his name.
     
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    1) The fact that someone is shielded at youth from being the victim of Anti Semitism doesnt mean that he didnt change his name to Avoid future anti semitism and to be more accepted in the fashion world. Lauren sounds chic. Lifschitz doesnt.

    2) If the name change was meant to convince, he has done a nice job convincing.

    Its like most things in life. When leading anything its not necessarily what you know its more important who (as in subordinates) you surround yourself with.

    I once posted a great link on a Mark Twain story called luck.

    JJF
     
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    OK..I'M DONE WITH THIS THREAD [​IMG] ...I NEVER REALIZED HOW GALVANIZING RALPH COULD BE..SORT OF LIKE MENTIONING HILLARY C. OR GEORGE W. AT A COCKTAIL PARTY
     
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    I don't begrudge Lauren his success, name, or anything frankly. He has earned his success, and admittedly I still think Polo makes a lot of great items; moreover, despite being an uber-sized fashion conglomerate, they have maintained a similar image and consistency for a long time.

    That said, I expected the interior of Ralph's house to be done a bit better than it was (for my own personal tastes). The exterior and grounds looked spectacular though.
     
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    I am glad you brought Hillary Up... Did you know that... Nahhh. Maybe I Shouldnt. [​IMG] JJF
     
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    But, he was already playing around with different names when he was still a child, before he even thought of becoming a fashion designer. You don't think this somewhat disturbing. It's not like he came from a disgraced family; he comes from a line of rabbis.
     
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    in fact there is a jacket of some sort on display on the buffet/side table in the dining room. if i were an expert i could identify it, but it's a red uniform type of jacket. ahhhhhh, well i was just using 'lifschitz' perhaps to be provocative. i think mr FIHTies might have to break my head. [​IMG] ...in fact i don't happen to agree with LAGuy that RL's jewish heritage makes his WASPy incarnation pathetic, rather i believe he is representing a valid way of being that is perhaps distinctly american. 'assimilation' may sound ominous, so let's say he has reinvented himself using the dominant language of success prevalent in this country. i think he is who he wants to be, and that fact is to be admired. i think he is a good representative of the notion that none of us are beholden to our heritages, pasts, or upbringings. ... which is not to say he automatically has good taste. i'll look at the article again at lunchtime. /andrew
     
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    faustian bargain--

    All praise for your latest post. For goodness' sake, self-invention is practically a defining characteristic of the American experience. And who said that polo shirts, or blazers--or, for that matter, Arapahoe war bonnets--belong to one ethnic group alone? (Did the Arapahoe have war bonnets?)

    And if you're named Archie Leach or Ralph Lifschitz, or whatever Judy Garland started out with, you'd be crazy not to try on a fresh moniker.

    Just my HO.
     
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    Polo Ralph Lifschitz? I don't think so...
     
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    well i looked at the pictorial (just scanned the text).

    his house (one of 5, i believe) is pretty much an expression of his style. traditional, english-inflected, casual elegance. the walls are covered in 19th century art. the rooms are various color schemes, some dark, some light. you could say there's a 'cluttered' look to the place, in the pictures at least. very non-minimal. lots of tartan fabrics, and leather chairs. the library is beautiful, IMO; it looks pretty comfortable. his closet/dressing room is pretty amazing - huge collection of equestrian riding boots. apparently they are part of his everyday wear, along with an extensive collection of jean jackets and cashmere sweaters.

    from the pictures i can't tell really what it would feel like to be there - they are obviously staged and very clean, but what i don't know is how the place feels in terms of new/old. you know, the 'pottery barn' effect, something new made to look old. i don't know if it's a museum, or a real livable space.

    the other thing to consider is, the house is huge in terms of square footage (17,000) - yet the pictures cover only maybe 1/10th of the area. so you don't know if the rest of the house looks like Nick & Jessica's or not.

    /andrew
     
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    Mmmm,

    Why is wrong with Lifschitz? I find this to be a perfectly
    good last name and I don't see it is less "chic"than LAuren.
    Ralph L. has made his fortune by making clothes for those
    wanting to ape a certain class of people. It is sad he felt
    he had to hide his heritage to do so.
     

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