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ralph feinnes wardrobe in skyfall!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ThinkDerm, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. OffTheRack

    OffTheRack Senior member

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    The three piece that the MI6 psychologist who analyzed Bond wore was very nice too.
     
  2. duggyald

    duggyald Senior member

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    Fiennes just wore it better in my opinion, Craig gets all the attention because he is Bond but Fiennes fared well in the movie too..he's older now still carries himself well.
     
  3. TomTom

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    The movie was great but Daniel Craig's suits looked like he bought them in Topman...and a size to small. Nothing against Tom Ford but James Bond should be wearing English tailoring end off!! And that means no Brioni or Zegna either.
     
  4. aravenel

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    I agree, but the suits in Skyfall were double bad. The suits in QoS, while also TF, actually fit pretty well. CR was still Brioni, and again, they fit pretty well. All the self-striped shirts in that movie were dreadful, but the suits fit. Skyfall... Disaster for suits.

    But yeah, Ralph Fiennes' suits were excellent. First time we saw him on screen, he wasnt wearing a coat, and I leaned over to my wife and said "That's how a pair of trousers are supposed to fit."
     
  5. otacon

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    There are some technical details that are "wrong" with Bond's suits--the collar gap is one of them already mentioned. I think they took that as a trade off, though, for the fit of the suit they were going for. I really got the impression it was meant more as a uniform than anything else--like he was supposed to look like a superhero in it. The cut, while short, is aggressive. No, it doesn't look relaxed and necessarily refined, but it's not supposed to. Rather, I felt like it was supposed to look like he was coming at you, ready to tear your face off, while he was standing still.

    Fiennes's suits were wonderful, and exactly what you would want from someone in his position in government in the film. The contrast between the two was what, for me, made it acceptable that Bond's suits looked so....different. We know someone understands suiting when we see Ralph's suits, so there must be something they're going for with Craig's.
     
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    There is no way this is A&S
     
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    I see what you mean, but even the look you're describing was not executed well with the cut of Bond's suits. That look can be made much better, especially without the ridiculous tightness. It's true that slim suits look modern, but there's two types of slim: Slim in the correct places with purpose, and just tight from sizing down too much. The costume designer either didn't do enough research, or had no idea how to achieve the look she wanted...or both.

    Here's an example to illustrate what I mean:
    1. Slim, but still fitting well:
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    2. Bond's suits in the movie:
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    Now, one might argue that Craig's shape is very different that the guys above, but that's no reason to make suits tight. He should look even better in a well-fitting, slim suit.
     
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    Well that says the dinner suit he wore to the premiere was made by Timothy Everest, but makes no mention of the suits in the film itself. It's possible whoever did make Fiennes' suits is bound by a confidentially clause; whoever it is they are not making the song and dance about it that you might expect.
     
  10. Cuttingboard

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    Wish we had more pics of his suits! I've been looking for a pic with his jacket off so I can see what type of braces he's wearing?
     
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    Ah yes, definitely gives that impression doesn't he. I've been a customer for about 5 years - I'll ask them next time I'm there. I hope it doesn't mean he puts his prices up.
     
  13. otacon

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    I'm not just talking about slim fitting suits in general. Of course you are right in that you can do that correctly and incorrectly. Whatever that kid is wearing in the second picture is full of things that aren't sartorially correct...but let's be clear: Bond, though he enjoys fine clothing, is not exactly a sartorialist, and even when he is that does not mean he does not know he is breaking rules. I am playing a bit of an apologist, I realize, but to an effect.

    Bond's a minimalist. In the books, he frequently prefers sleeveless (short-sleeve) shirts under his tropical wool suits when it's hot out. He also doesn't like having to tie his shoes, so often wears laceless ones. And of course there is the now famous line about how much he hates Windsor knots...

    But he also likes good suits. So, why would a character that likes good suits be breaking the rules? Part of it (maybe all of it) is simply that they didn't do enough homework, as you said. But, perhaps, the aggressive look they were going for with the suits could not be achieved, in their view, without making the suits "too" tight and "too" short. Even in the pictures you posted, the first looks much more relaxed compared to the second (which actually looks somewhat uncomfortable). I don't think a "proper" fitting slim suit would give off the impression of a "costume" (which is more or less what Vesper tells us Bond is using his suit as in Casino Royale, anyway). Actually, the suits in Quantum of Solace were properly fitting slim fit suits, so they were really going for some kind of distinction. It's also ironic that Tom Ford was once rather against the idea of short jackets--he thought it made men look like boys, which he loathed. I don't think, however, that Daniel Craig's suits are that short--shorter, yes, but I don't recall the bottom of his suit falling at his wrist or higher, which is what you'll find in those cuts like the second picture (and in jackets from places like H&M).

    Someone suggested in another topic (or earlier in this, I'm not sure) that it may have something to do with Bond getting older, and so he stands in distinction to the new clothing (which I may be interpreting a bit charitably, but you get the point). I'm not sure this is correct, but maybe that's another way to look at it.
     
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    I was just not a big fan of him having tab collars on every outfit. Where the hell did that come from?


    And I really am not much of a fan of shawl tuxedos....I would say that this was the weakest Bond wardrobe of any non-Roger Moore Bond flick...except maybe License to Kill.
     
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    I'm a big fan of the tab collars and shawl tuxedos.
     
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    Agreed. To me, tab collars are very much a "trad" item, and so fit in well with undarted sack suits, longwing shoes, navy hopsack blazers and grey flannel trousers - not the very tightly fitted, mid-grey narrow pinstripe suits that Daniel Craig frequently wore.

    The tab collar shirts just seemed to be rather incongruous and I think that it would have been better had he worn his usual spread collar shirts.
     
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    What is up with Mallory's shirt in this pic? Not ironed? lol.
     
  19. Dapper Edition

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    I would not know who made the suits, the braces were Albert Thurston for sure.

    They were navy with a navy 'fleur de lis' motif, Daniel Craig also wore braces from Albert Thurston in Casino Royale.

    Any news on the manufacturer of the suits?

    I thought they were tailored perfectly.
     
  20. otacon

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    Probably a combination of the tie and vest pushing on it, as well as whatever he was doing between takes/in previous takes.

    Those would be some pretty amazing wrinkles, otherwise lol
     

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