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Rally under your flag- War is upon us! The Great Drape/No Drape Poll!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by yachtie, Feb 3, 2009.

  1. robin

    robin Well-Known Member

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    The clean front crowd finds this approbation perplexing, even annoying.
    It's infuriating.
     
  2. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Well-Known Member

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    My theory is thus: in the peculiar world of the interwebs, men who post bespoke clothes from the drape school often get an enthusiastic response that eludes the clean front crowd. The clean front crowd finds this approbation perplexing, even annoying.


    - B


    I can answer your question and Jeffrey's comment about your girth:

    [​IMG]
     
  3. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    It's infuriating.

    Maddening, even.

    - B
     
  4. gdl203

    gdl203 Well-Known Member

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    vox - I'm worried. From your tone, it sounds like you may actually believe that there is such a thing as these two enemy clans. In reality, whatever rivalry you think exist probably is confined to less than half a dozen people. Most of us just like what looks good and couldn't care less whether you call it piccolo drape or clean-o.
     
  5. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to sound like a noob here, but I'm looking to learn... Could someone simply explain to me what you guys are refering to about "Drape". I see slightly different silouettes but I'm not quite clear what I should be looking for...

    I always thought by drape you guys meant how the suit falls and rolls along the body. So fused suits sort of just hold stiff and square while canvassed ones flow along the body lines and fold/crease with the body movements.
     
  6. Manton

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    If vox is fat, I am in a lot of trouble. Say it ain't so, V!
     
  7. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    I can answer your question and Jeffrey's comment about your girth:


    Worry not. Posting on SF is a hindbrain activity.


    - B
     
  8. yachtie

    yachtie Well-Known Member

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    Clean-O

    [​IMG]

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    Mike just needs to expand his horizons.
     
  9. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    If vox is fat, I am in a lot of trouble. Say it ain't so, V!

    First sumo match is tomorrow. Wish me 幸運.


    - B
     
  10. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG] Way to bring it, Y.

    -B
     
  11. yachtie

    yachtie Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG] Way to bring it, Y.

    -B

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Manton

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    The blue DB is pretty awesome. I wonder if gdl doesn't like that one.
     
  13. yachtie

    yachtie Well-Known Member

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    The blue DB is pretty awesome. I wonder if gdl doesn't like that one.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. gdl203

    gdl203 Well-Known Member

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    The blue DB is pretty awesome. I wonder if gdl doesn't like that one.

    I actually really like both jackets yachtie just posted [​IMG]

    That was a nice counter to your twisted strategery
     
  15. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Well-Known Member

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    vox - I'm worried. From your tone, it sounds like you may actually believe that there is such a thing as these two enemy clans. In reality, whatever rivalry you think exist probably is confined to less than half a dozen people. Most of us just like what looks good and couldn't care less whether you call it piccolo drape or clean-o.

    +1. I liked specimens in both, but tend to prefer clean overall. I don't get the extremely drapey stuff, but if someone likes it, great. To each his own.

    It's fairly academic, anyway. It's not like many people these days understand the basics of fit, much less the nuance of drape v. clean.
     
  16. jefferyd

    jefferyd Well-Known Member

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    To my knowledge, we Drapists never say that a clean front makes for a necessarily good or bad looking jacket. Some look good. Most look bad, because most things in general look bad. In contrast, there are a few arch-devotees of clean jackets who uniformly do not like a draped chest, not just on themselves, but even on others.

    Why is that?

    - B


    Drape as a stylistic choice is one thing. I don't think drape looks bad, but I don't think it is particularly flattering, either. I have never had a client ask me to make him look ten pounds heavier, which is what drape tends to do.

    The silhouette, styling choices aside, should flatter, conceal, enhance..... I have super-wide hips which the strong shoulders help to conceal. I would put someone who had overly strong shoulders in a very soft shoulder. Every jacket should be cut differently according to the client's taste and build. Unfortunately for me, drape has become a hot button because of the "ideal bespoke silhouette" thing, as if any one silhouette could be ideal for everyone, especially one which adds bulk to the frame.
     
  17. jefferyd

    jefferyd Well-Known Member

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    Those are great, yachtie!
     
  18. grimslade

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    vox - I'm worried. From your tone, it sounds like you may actually believe that there is such a thing as these two enemy clans. In reality, whatever rivalry you think exist probably is confined to less than half a dozen people. Most of us just like what looks good and couldn't care less whether you call it piccolo drape or clean-o.

    GDL, I suggest you re-read this:

    Perhaps you are saying that what you like has nothing to do with whether a jacket is draped or not. Your primary cues are from other elements of style.

    If so, you might be guessing why I chose those particular photographs.

    To my knowledge, we Drapists never say that a clean front makes for a necessarily good or bad looking jacket. Some look good. Most look bad, because most things in general look bad. In contrast, there are a few arch-devotees of clean jackets who uniformly do not like a draped chest, not just on themselves, but even on others.


    Which I think should put your worries to rest.

    But anyway, which way should I vote? txbai.
     
  19. gdl203

    gdl203 Well-Known Member

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    GDL, I suggest you re-read this

    I did. That's what made me worried. Especially the use of capitalized clan names.
     
  20. grimslade

    grimslade Well-Known Member

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    I did. That's what made me worried. Especially the use of capitalized clan names.

    I read it differently.
     

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