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** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by david3558, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. Marcellionheart

    Marcellionheart Well-Known Member

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    Nice. Mine is coming in two weeks! Wish more stuff was on the 325 last. Such a great last.
     
  2. Mr Cucumber

    Mr Cucumber Active Member

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    I find it a bit boring. There is nothing happening. It is just so round.

    My new Lowndes:
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  3. Gerry Nelson

    Gerry Nelson Well-Known Member

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    I can understand why you say that but feel it's more about context and fit as well. I have 3 pairs of shoes on the 348 (including the suede Lowndes) and nowadays I'm thinking it's almost too elongated-looking on my foot (I wear a UK9.5 and suspect it works better with smaller sizes). The 325 last works on this boot and also fits my foot a lot better. I don't think the 325 works for a sleek dress shoe.

    Similarly (because I'm going through this thought process right now [​IMG]), I'm choosing between

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    and

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    The Carmina looks sleeker but would be a tighter fit for me. The C&J Boston is rounder and arguably less interesting but would be more comfortable. Between the two, I'm tending to go for the Boston because of the fit.
     
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  4. NAMOR

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    325 looks great as wingtip and a wingtip boot. I think for a captoe boot, 240 is best because it's slightly pointer than the 325, which gives it a less spherical shape
     
  5. Gerry Nelson

    Gerry Nelson Well-Known Member

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    I just did a side by side comparison of my shoe in the 240 and 325 and it's a pretty subtle difference.
     
  6. NAMOR

    NAMOR Well-Known Member

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    You sir are correct. Both my Lindrick and BB Peal sit on the same shelf together and I didn't look to see. For some reason, the Lindrick is a lot more comfortable than the Wingtip in the same size (sized down a half size). Lindrick in a 11.5 fits much better than the Wingtip, which I wear in size 12
     
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  7. Gerry Nelson

    Gerry Nelson Well-Known Member

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    Funny you mention that - my Coniston is a lot more comfortable than my Peal in the same size. I'm jealous that you got the Lindrick! I would have loved to have gotten that or the Islay. The Lindrick is a beautiful boot!
     
  8. Mr Cucumber

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    I disagree. Larger shoes has less "extra shoe" in proportion to the whole shoe. If you are somewhat proportionate a 348 should not be a problem with larger sizes. I myself am 6'7" with UK12 and although it feels a bit too elongated when you look down at it, it looks awesome from all other angles.

    Coniston is an awesome boot either way.
     
  9. Gdot

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    The C&J is definitely not as interesting. But in the long run it will never go in, or out, of style. It also will be more versatile in terms of wearing it with jeans/chinos, especially as it ages.

    As much as love the sleekness of the C&J 348 I find it somewhat too much on my two pairs of Merton loafers. And I wonder if in a loafer I wouldn't be happier with a slightly rounder last. The Simpson last on the Carmina's is not quite as long as the 348. If they offered this makeup on the Rain last (which is a little wider) you would be in 'sweet spot' IMO.

    Then we have the issue of the suede itself. Carmina is known for it's luscious suede. C&J is just OK as far as I'm concerned.

    Of course the easy answer is, BOTH! :nest:
     
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  10. Cunrad

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    What colour is that? Black, by any chance?
     
  11. rikod

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    I prefer the Carminas, did you tried them both or you are anticipating how they will fit based in other models?, I have a pair in the simpson last and is very comfortable.
     
  12. dijor

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    I'm thinking about buying C&J Audley in calf brown. I want to wear these casual with a jeans. Anybody have this shoe and tried this? I'm only concerned that these maybe too formal.
     
  13. fritzl

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    what does it mean?
     
  14. Mr Cucumber

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    Naah, they are espresso suede although it is pretty much impossible to capture that color. It is even harder with an iPhone.. It is dark brown with hints of grey.

    What I am trying to say is that if my foot is 42 cm maybe the shoe is 46 total. 4 cm added; 9.5% added. However, if I have a smaller foot, let's say 36 the shoe may be 39.75cm. 10.4% added. I don't know if the numbers are any good but I hope I made my point.

    With bigger sizes they add less extra length. As a person gets bigger, the risk of him looking like a clown gets smaller as there is less extra shoe.

    I hope I made my point. It's hard, trying to write something like this when you are drunk :satisfied:
     
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    fritzl Well-Known Member

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    got it.
     
  16. Gerry Nelson

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    I prefer the Carmina as well although I haven't tried both pairs - the C&J in in a G fitting so slightly wider than usual. My feet are on the borderline of medium and wide so I'm not sure whether a narrower last like the Simpson is the best idea. If they offered this on the Rain last, it would be a no brainer. Then again, suede stretches quite a bit the more it's worn so maybe getting a pair that's snug and letting them stretch might be the way to go.

    I nearly got the Merton some time back but decided it didn't suit my foot for the reasons you state above.

    Both, huh? [​IMG]
     
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  17. Claus

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    With "they" you mean the shoes, right?

    If so, I'm not sure I agree. It seems, the longer one's feet, the more people size down from their 'proper' shoes size. And the shorter one's feet, the more people seem to size up from their 'proper' shoes size. While the effect you describe may exists, it doesn't seem sufficient for many people.
     
  18. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Well-Known Member

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    The principle of grading in ready-to-wear, once one parameter gets bigger, everything else gets bigger as well. There is really no fundamental difference difference between a shirt pattern or a shoe last. In a shirt, once you increase the collar size, everything else in the shirt gets bigger: the body is cut wider and longer, as are the sleeves as the shirt is supposed to fit a bigger man. The same in a shoe last: as the length increases with a larger size, the circumference, sole shape, heel width, they all increase according to a laid down formula. This is done these days by computer.

    As the shoe size is getting larger, the proportion of narrow width requirements also increases. There are far more extra-narrow feet in a size 12 than there are in a size 6. As virtually all continental shoe manufacturer produce only one width (‘standard’ – whatever that might be) there are far more long and skinny people with narrow feet who find the shoes that fit in length are too wide – the opposite applies to the small sizes: the shoes fitting in width are frequently too long. So, they long feet are forced to size down, as there is too much volume in a shoe of the correct length. In the same way the small sizes are forced to size up as the correct size will be too narrow. It is not necessarily a question of choice, but of supply.

    Just as you will see frequently short, but not petite guys wearing suits which are way too long. (What are you going to do, if you need size 36 for length, but 42 or 44 for circumference.) As they cannot find a big size in Short or even Extra-Short fitting they, have to get a suit which fits their girth but is for them on the long and too-long side. (Sleeves and trouser length might be altered, but the bottom of the coat hovers somewhere near the knees.)
     
  19. Claus

    Claus Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, bengal-stripe!

    I've already noted that shoe size deviations could also be explained by the "volume" deviations (width and girth measurements), but I haven't had time to estimate which effect would explain it best. I'm so glad you confirmed this.

    Interestingly, the effect wasn't mentioned in any paper from the medical sciences I've read.
     
  20. stevent

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    Any sizing advice on the 325 last? Never really tried on any C&Js but am looking at a pair of boots on the 325. Seems to be a slightly wider last? Normally a size 10.5E / 11D (wider fit, 10.5E is a better fit), 10.5D in Alden barrie. What size would I be on 325 last?
     
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