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** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by david3558, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. forex

    forex Senior member

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    Can anyone provide feedback on how 236 last fits? Thinking about getting the connaught and would like to know how it fits, what are the comparable lasts in other makers such as EG, Alden, etc.
     


  2. Northampton Novice

    Northampton Novice Senior member

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    C&J are not direct competitors, but are ofcourse in the same market. So it's not naive to try to emulate a successful brand and interpret or apply it's style to your own products - that's how retail works.
     


  3. claes500

    claes500 Senior member

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    +1

    Can't figure out how CJ can charge so much for MTO, especially since Carmina are closing up and breathing down their neck with a more reasonable MTO surcharge
     


  4. theyare

    theyare Senior member

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    Wow - so basically $1100-$1200 for an MTO C&J?

    Do they all "become" handgrade? What if you do a benchgrade model in another color?
     


  5. Northampton Novice

    Northampton Novice Senior member

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    C&J Have always had an exorbitant MTO programme. Five years ago I was quoted £575 for a handgrade special, but I am glad, the high price prompted me to put in a few pounds more and I got my first G&G.
     


  6. Northampton Novice

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    Benchgrade in another colour, is £50 more than standard price - provided it is a colour C&J currently have on their swatches.
     


  7. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    Their factory production flow is probably not designed for MTO but for volume manufacturing. With all the volume they are enjoying OEM'ing shoes for other brands and Japan, a good MTO program will cost them much much more.
     


  8. Burton

    Burton Senior member

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    Yes. Agree with the above. C&J appear to have a business model similar to AE which is geared to larger runs rather than smalller more customized production. I think the large upcharge is a deliberate way of discouraging that business--or making it profitable to engage in. If I am going to pay $1000+ for shoes I am going to look to EG, AS handgrades, etc.
     


  9. bl@ster

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    Yeah, I emailed the NYC store and they responded saying to have that shoe I posted the pic of made would be $1150 for MTO. So.... no go.

    Guess I'll have to hope the shoe comes back to Ralph Lauren.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2012


  10. zazaza

    zazaza Senior member

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    I just listed a pair of BNIB Northcotes in 12D if anyone is interested.
    they are absolutely stunning, but not quite for me

    please see sig for details
     


  11. makewayhomer

    makewayhomer Senior member

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    MTO is a pain probably, doesn't surprise me they charge so much
     


  12. fritzl

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    funny to see that people are afraid of length. e.g. in custom footwear it's normal to have toe space up to an inch. the bread and butter is the fit around the heel and the arch, imo.
     


  13. Gdot

    Gdot Senior member

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    I agree.

    Personally not afraid of length. As a matter of fact in general it is desirable to me to have a long shoe - but it does seem many people are very concerned about it.

    My only logistical concern regarding length is that it can affect the location that the creasing sets up on ready to wear shoes - and that sometimes is a bugaboo.
     


  14. Thanks SF (a new me)

    Thanks SF (a new me) Senior member

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    ...while deciding and contemplating on a couple of C&J, recent last/fit discussions has been very helpful..Thanks
     


  15. Gdot

    Gdot Senior member

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    I think the last/fit discussions are among the most worthwhile topics we can deal with on a forum such as this one. As fit is the most important issue in general and it's a tough nut to crack when one can't try on the shoes in a retail setting.

    Aesthetics and who likes what can be interesting - but ultimately hard to discuss/manage in a forum format.
     


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