@PCK1 Burgundy's good, with you there, likewise on golf grain (Nah in green). Blue, those are interesting. Off the shelf nearest here in Blighty is the Hartland, they call em Ocean not blue. A mate of mine has em and they do look excellent, though I'm not sure about the natural colour welt or dainite sole. Horses for courses I suppose. @Farhad19620 they don't stand a chance at work tomorrow!