FWIW I thought the price I paid for those PS Rosemoor was good. All of my current C&Js were bought in the C&J Northampton factory store (I miss the UK for that alone!) and these were priced at £180 I think the handgrades (whenever they had any) were priced at £250 and this was for seconds. NY sales kick @ss!! Would love to know where we can get these cheaper!