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How does the 378 last fit compared to the 325?

I'd say the 325 is near perfect for me, albeit slightly roomy all around. Other lasts I wear are Tricker's 4497, 4444 and 2298 of which the last one is the least fitting (pinky toe and too much volume).

Can I size down 0.5 size, considering these are suede and summer shoes? I'll only be wearing them with thin socks (I need to wear at least medium thickness socks in the others). Also, I don't have a huge volume foot or need for high instep, so in my TTS the facings usually touch with suede.
 

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I would order from 92 Jermyn store - I’ve done 7 MTO’s with them over the last 2 years - you can ask for Thomas he’s fantastic. I live in California, and I have saved money by going directly with them versus ordering through New York, which always seems to be more expensive.

I email them at:
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I finally heard from Thomas. The MTO price was sensible ($937.54 delivered to USA with exchange). I went with Chelsea 5 boot, black black milled calf 8.5E on single leather sole. I would assume delivery will happen in about 12 weeks. I like the quality standards of C&J and consider their shoes a relatively good value.
 

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How does the 378 last fit compared to the 325?

I'd say the 325 is near perfect for me, albeit slightly roomy all around. Other lasts I wear are Tricker's 4497, 4444 and 2298 of which the last one is the least fitting (pinky toe and too much volume).

Can I size down 0.5 size, considering these are suede and summer shoes? I'll only be wearing them with thin socks (I need to wear at least medium thickness socks in the others). Also, I don't have a huge volume foot or need for high instep, so in my TTS the facings usually touch with suede.
The 378 last is based on the 335 last and as such has a rounder and deeper toe box than the 325. I don’t find it wider than the 325 across the camp. I like it very much but as ever YMMV
 

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How does the 378 last fit compared to the 325?

I'd say the 325 is near perfect for me, albeit slightly roomy all around. Other lasts I wear are Tricker's 4497, 4444 and 2298 of which the last one is the least fitting (pinky toe and too much volume).

Can I size down 0.5 size, considering these are suede and summer shoes? I'll only be wearing them with thin socks (I need to wear at least medium thickness socks in the others). Also, I don't have a huge volume foot or need for high instep, so in my TTS the facings usually touch with suede.

I use 378 and 325 in 10.5UK (and also Tricker's Stow) but my feet are a tad wide due to running.

I hope this helps.
 

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The 378 last is based on the 335 last and as such has a rounder and deeper toe box than the 325. I don’t find it wider than the 325 across the camp. I like it very much but as ever YMMV
Thanks, I may be able to get away with a smaller size, as long as there's room for my pinky toe. An almost new 2nd hand pair in my area is the reason for asking.
 

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I finally heard from Thomas. The MTO price was sensible ($937.54 delivered to USA with exchange). I went with Chelsea 5 boot, black black milled calf 8.5E on single leather sole. I would assume delivery will happen in about 12 weeks. I like the quality standards of C&J and consider their shoes a relatively good value.
This is helpful - thanks for the update. I just reached out to them as well about an MTO for this boot:

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I just really love the design. I'm hoping they can accomodate the request, as it was a special makeup for Baldassarini.
 

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I'd say the 325 is near perfect for me, albeit slightly roomy all around.

I would state the same for me ... read on:

Other lasts I wear are Tricker's 4497, 4444

Same here, but the 4444 a 1/2 down and that's a tad on the short side in length and on my bigger foot the 4444 tells me, when it's time to trim my nail on my pinky - and I keep them short already.

4497s fits similar in generosity as the 325, but with a clearly lower insteps. I have some socks that give me pain at the instep with the 4497s, which are good with the 325 ... read on ...

The 378 last is based on the 335 last and as such has a rounder and deeper toe box than the 325.

Yes and when I was considering the Eskdale on the 378, I found this article and there is an info, that it not that explicitly noted in C&J's last guide, this:

„Eskdale II is made on an updated version of our famous 335 last. Made on last 378, we have taken the fore-part of 335 and blended it with our updated back-part that is slowly being utilised across a multitude of new lasts.“

Getting back to the 325. The general info is, that 335 is a 325 with a wider toe-box and most say not so much wider. For me it was much too much difference. The facings came so close that one boot (Skye 3) I got that Oxford looks and with medium and thinner socks they would have overlapped when worn in (Skye 2 Shell).
Both were so wide, that keeping them would have meant that I could only wear them in winter because thicker socks. I sold both of them.

Our feet are all so different, but given how generous the 325 fits for you already, I would never pick the same size as you want to use thin socks. I have no idea how going down 1/2 a size will work.
 
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This is helpful - thanks for the update. I just reached out to them as well about an MTO for this boot:

s-l400.webp


I just really love the design. I'm hoping they can accomodate the request, as it was a special makeup for Baldassarini.
That's a sharp looking punched monk strap boot. Let us know the details once you hear back. I might consider one as well (possibly in a different color calf or suede) if it can be made on the 335 last.
 
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I would state the same for me ... read on:
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Our feet are all so different, but given how generous the 325 fits for you already, I would never pick the same size as you want to use thin socks. I have no idea how going down 1/2 a size will work.
@All, thanks, that helps!

Being suede (more conforming) and wearing thin socks, same size as 325 will pretty much certainly end up too large then. No guarantee that sizing down 0.5 will work, but it's worth a try if the price is right (I likely lose very little €€€ if it doesn't).

My Carlos Santos dress shoes are half a size down also, and those fit great.
 

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My Carlos Santos dress shoes are half a size down also, and those fit great.

Be careful, most CS are recommended to be sized-down and if your CS shoes are halfway that absurdly generous as the Stallone boots ( #1,867 ) , I unfortunately bought, I don't wonder that you are getting along with them downsized.
 

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Feet are weird indeed. I almost always run into pinky toe-issues on my larger foot, and once I don't, the shoes feel slightly too roomy. I've also tried sizing down and going to a G-fit, but that never worked.

I've learned since that it's easier to live with a slightly roomy shoe than a cramped toe, but haven't discovered the perfect fit yet (sure, a slightly thicker sock does wonders). Also suede has tricked me a couple of times, if they're tight, the pinky toe may still hurt (or not fit the footbed and you get a bulge). If they fit perfect from the start, eventually they become too loose and the facings touch, so suede hasn't really worked out for me thus far (only the sturdy suedes).
 

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Perfect timing for a discussion of suede and different sized feet.

Day One with the Connaught 2 (379 last) was a bit rough. Left foot feels pretty good, with only minor break-in discomfort. Right is not great. Heel and top of the second toe ("ring finger toe"?) are rubbing. It's as if the right foot is taller.

Hoping they conform enough to be comfortable. A size up would certainly cause problems for the left foot, and even for the right, it would be too long I have to think.

Photo taken in natural light. This is the Dark Oak.

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