** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

[Fenners81]

Criss-cross (X) laces on a pembroke. You mad devil

Haha, I prefer the aesthetic of straight lacing but criss -cross is just more functional IMO.

 

[Fenners81]

Conistan

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- Crockett & Jones Coniston, Tan Scotch Grain -

Our TSGs seem to be a distinctly different colour. My photo accurately represents mine, so I’m wondering if it’s lighting or just the ageing effect?

 

[DorianGreen]

Our TSGs seem to be a distinctly different colour. My photo accurately represents mine, some I’m wondering if it’s lighting or just the ageing effect?

I also noticed that and pointed out in a previous post. The Tan Scotch Grain on bemk's shoes seems to have a distinct yellow undertone I really like.

 

[Fenners81]

I also noticed that and pointed out in a previous post. The Tan Scotch Grain on bemk's shoes seems to have a strong yellow undertone I really like.

I agree. I know he used some tinted shoe cream on a pair so maybe this is the cause.

 

[DorianGreen]

I agree. I know he used some tinted shoe cream on a pair so maybe this is the cause.

I don’t know, allegedly he only treated one pair with coloured cream, whereas the other two pairs were either treated with neutral cream or untreated, as new.

 

[bemk]

I don’t know, allegedly he only treated one pair with coloured cream, whereas the other two pairs were either treated with neutral cream or untreated, as new.

Yes! It was here: #31,639

(I had also shown some treatments on the Tan Scotch Grain Pembrokes, so it's not easy to remember.)

Our TSGs seem to be a distinctly different colour. My photo accurately represents mine, so I’m wondering if it’s lighting or just the ageing effect?

I also noticed that and pointed out in a previous post. The Tan Scotch Grain on bemk's shoes seems to have a distinct yellow undertone I really like.

I agree. I know he used some tinted shoe cream on a pair so maybe this is the cause.

As shown and reported in #31,639 I have 2 pairs. But here's a new comparison meeting the light and look of yesterdays picture you are referring to better.
Btw, @Fenners81 , I always color correct my pictures from a grey card, so they are pretty true to the light in the particular scene.

One pair I have worn this and last autumn and last spring and had never treated it before this September.
I used 'Saphir 1925 Light Brown 03'. This is the lighter, yellowish one, this one:

The other pair I have worn much less, so little that it I didn't apply any care so far. This one:

Here they are directly side by side:

 

[Fenners81]

Yes! It was here: #31,639

(I had also shown some treatments on the Tan Scotch Grain Pembrokes, so it's not easy to remember.)







As shown and reported in #31,639 I have 2 pairs. But here's a new comparison meeting the light and look of yesterdays picture you are referring to better.
Btw, @Fenners81 , I always color correct my pictures from a grey card, so they are pretty true to the light in the particular scene.

One pair I have worn this and last autumn and last spring and had never treated it before this September.
I used 'Saphir 1925 Light Brown 03'. This is the lighter, yellowish one, this one:

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The other pair I have worn much less, so little that it I didn't apply any care so far. This one:

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Here they are directly side by side:

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Thanks for the clarification. In this case, mine are significantly darker…

 

[Ypuh]

Oh no, I accidentally bought another pair of Pembroke's.

Saw some Ralph Lauren branded ones on Ebay and did a somewhat low offer (-30%) that got accepted. Not sure I'm going to like these as I find it hard to style black shoes as-in being too formal (I don't want to go too overdressed).

The broguing and somewhat bulky aesthetic tone down the formality, so that hopefully makes them suitable for wear with a pair of jeans to the office.

Since Pembroke's are just so comfortable and I enjoy how well they're made, I'll try and make it work

 

[sirsigsalot]

When the leather gets softer the facings will meet each other closer than they do already.
But not so much, that the lower area will 'close' in your case. It looks good there. But it looks a bit much above beginning at the speed hooks given that you are wearing thick socks.

You are not the first with this 'issue' and more than often folks get a long with it as you do not want to lace them pretty tight at the top anyway to leave room for movement at angles. (Think climbing stairs.)

With less tension the laces at the topmost speed hooks can get dislodged. Some simply don't lace their boots up to the top as they don't care for the casual look, others use a different lacing method. I for one go back from the top to the level below and lace there as well as go back to the top a second time. (Think of a doubled X at the top.)

Thank you very much for the thoughtful reply. Glad to know there are ways to make them work. I had a little more time this morning and took this picture standing, with slightly thinner socks. They seem every so borderline, but totally doable. Would you agree?

 

[bemk]

Thank you very much for the thoughtful reply. Glad to know there are ways to make them work. I had a little more time this morning and took this picture standing, with slightly thinner socks. They seem every so borderline, but totally doable. Would you agree?

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Honestly, I do only agree if you would wear them with thicker socks than these here.

When the leather get's softer and at latest when you lace them with a bit more tension, the facings will be about to meet in the lower area. And we're still not talking about the middle and upper areas.

If these were mine and if these socks were the ones I would usually want wo wear with them, I wouldn't keep them. At least it's very borderline for me.

I have these myself and also other shoes on the 325 last and they are a perfect fit. But I also have the Skye boot on the 335 last, which is described as the '325 with a more generous toe box'. But my Skyes have a different instep and are (probably therefore) wider around the leg - similar to your issue, but less extreme.
With my typical autumn socks they are too wide / roomy and this effectively makes them winter-only for me because of the thickness of socks needed. That's okay with 1 pair - I have other boots which are dedicated for winter - but it's the reason I will not buy another 335 boot. Because I can't happily wear them as much as I would want to and had intended when I bought them.

In your case the socks will define how hard your issue hits you and limits your use and if you want to take the risk and if my assumption holds true, you would have to be fine with wearing them 'only' with sufficiently thick socks. If you get lucky and the facings only almost meet you would get away with an Oxford-look at the lower and middle section and the mentioned loose laced upper part.

But that's only my opinion, probably other skillful gents join and have different thoughts.

 

[bemk]

@sirsigsalot

One addition: The tension of the lacing at the first pair of speed hooks (after the hidden eyelets) defines how rigid you stabilise your foot in the boot as well as how comfortable or firm you want to lace them on the forefoot. It's at that point where I say „Okay, that's fine.“ or „Nah, that's too tight.“ From there on I mostly lace more slackly towards the top.
If the facings overlap or are pressing against each other with the desired or needed tension there, I would pass on them.

 

[sirsigsalot]

@sirsigsalot

One addition: The tension of the lacing at the first pair of speed hooks (after the hidden eyelets) defines how rigid you stabilise your foot in the boot as well as how comfortable you want to lace them on the forefoot. If the facings overlap or are pressing against each other with the desired or needed tension there, I would pass on them.

Understood. I'll fiddle around with lacing some more later today. I really appreciate all the information!!

 

[jellyroller]

Oh no, I accidentally bought another pair of Pembroke's.

Saw some Ralph Lauren branded ones on Ebay and did a somewhat low offer (-30%) that got accepted. Not sure I'm going to like these as I find it hard to style black shoes as-in being too formal (I don't want to go too overdressed).

The broguing and somewhat bulky aesthetic tone down the formality, so that hopefully makes them suitable for wear with a pair of jeans to the office.

Since Pembroke's are just so comfortable and I enjoy how well they're made, I'll try and make it work

So much Pembroke love on SF. I’ve never owned a pair but the love for them on here makes me wonder if I need a pair lest I die not having lived a full life

 

[zargoz]

Thank you very much for the thoughtful reply. Glad to know there are ways to make them work. I had a little more time this morning and took this picture standing, with slightly thinner socks. They seem every so borderline, but totally doable. Would you agree?

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My Conistons are the same way, maybe not quite to the extent of yours. Like bemk said, you can double up the lacing around the top pairs of eyelets to lock them in. Or, if the laces are long enough and you are dressing casually, wrap the laces around the shaft between the top two sets of eyelets. If I secure the laces using one of those two methods I don't have any issues with them coming loose during the day. It's just an aesthetic thing. If it bothers you, skip the Conistons.


325 last seems to be extreme in this regard. My other C&Js Islays, and most of my Trickers, have the opposite problem where the opening is huge at the very top.

 

[sirsigsalot]

My Conistons are the same way, maybe not quite to the extent of yours. Like bemk said, you can double up the lacing around the top pairs of eyelets to lock them in. Or, if the laces are long enough and you are dressing casually, wrap the laces around the shaft between the top two sets of eyelets. If I secure the laces using one of those two methods I don't have any issues with them coming loose during the day. It's just an aesthetic thing. If it bothers you, skip the Conistons.


325 last seems to be extreme in this regard. My other C&Js Islays, and most of my Trickers, have the opposite problem where the opening is huge at the very top.

Would you be willing to post some reference images? It's so hard to tell since the boots are so stiff.