** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

[shoefan57]

US has no VAT to deduct. $675 is the price with no tax.

True. But what happens is by the time both VAT and import taxes are added together with shipping, the boots are way way more costly than they are here where they’re made.

 

[Marmite89]

Possibly as cost effective to MTO them in the UK than import from the US. I’ve been looking at the DR Moray in the Choc Hurricane Hide and been toying with the economics.

 

[shoefan57]

US has no VAT to deduct. $675 is the price with no tax.

Just looked again at DR website. The prices charged for C&J boots are at or above what comparable boots cost in UK. Therefore when importing them back to UK you’re paying way more for them - VAT On top of an already UK (VAT inclusive) price plus import taxes. Still cheaper than going MTO though

 

[Gustaf]

US has no VAT to deduct. $675 is the price with no tax.

Most US states have a sales tax charged in the delivery state, but if I understand it correctly some states exempt online purchases from sales tax if the transaction ships to an international address, even if they would tax the same goods purchased in a local retail outlet. Is VA (where DR is based) one of those states? Or is the price exempt from sales tax because they currently operate online only (according to their website)?

 

[Gustaf]

Possibly as cost effective to MTO them in the UK than import from the US. I’ve been looking at the DR Moray in the Choc Hurricane Hide and been toying with the economics.

Just looked again at DR website. The prices charged for C&J boots are at or above what comparable boots cost in UK. Therefore when importing them back to UK you’re paying way more for them - VAT On top of an already UK (VAT inclusive) price plus import taxes. Still cheaper than going MTO though

What’s the MTO fee these days?

The price difference between MTO and DR will depend on where the buyer is located, i.e. how much shippping, VAT, duties and fees that need to paid for the imported shoes. Could make for some interesting calculations.

But even if the MTO cost was on par with the landed DR cost (which I doubt it would be for most buyers in Europe, don’t know about ROW) an MTO takes a lot longer.

A full 12 strong GMTO could be cheaper though.

 

[zippyh]

Most US states have a sales tax charged in the delivery state, but if I understand it correctly some states exempt online purchases from sales tax if the transaction ships to an international address, even if they would tax the same goods purchased in a local retail outlet. Is VA (where DR is based) one of those states? Or is the price exempt from sales tax because they currently operate online only (according to their website)?

I have no idea about international purchases and sales tax. I was just pointing out that the US has no national sales tax (aka VAT) and that in the US, it's common practice to show the pre-tax prices of items, in this case $675.

C&J's US retail price for the Coniston is $670 for the roughout suede model and $760 for scotch grain so it's not like DR's prices are out of line for US retail. Plus with DR models, you get a **** ton more words of endless description on their site than any other site.

 

[shoefan57]

Wife had a pair of boots MTO that in their RTW form retailed at £490. Cost £950 MTO partly cos used “Russia Calf”.
US C&J prices are higher then than UK prices.
DR make ups are cracking boots for sure.

 

[Gustaf]

I have no idea about international purchases and sales tax. I was just pointing out that the US has no national sales tax (aka VAT) and that in the US, it's common practice to show the pre-tax prices of items, in this case $675.

C&J's US retail price for the Coniston is $670 for the roughout suede model and $760 for scotch grain so it's not like DR's prices are out of line for US retail. Plus with DR models, you get a **** ton more words of endless description on their site than any other site.

Yes, you are of course right. My post was born more out of curiosity for how the sales tax in the US works in general for different types of sales channels and outlets. I haven’t purchased that many items directly from US retailers; I tend to get stuck on stuff requiring freight forwarders.

 

[serbarristan]

The green roughout Coniston MTO on Ridgeway comes out to 500USD for the ex-VAT price. Two more commits before production.

 

[Mr_Spud]

I have no idea about international purchases and sales tax. I was just pointing out that the US has no national sales tax (aka VAT) and that in the US, it's common practice to show the pre-tax prices of items, in this case $675.

C&J's US retail price for the Coniston is $670 for the roughout suede model and $760 for scotch grain so it's not like DR's prices are out of line for US retail. Plus with DR models, you get a **** ton more words of endless description on their site than any other site.

It’s the prose that does it….

 

[zippyh]

Yes, you are of course right. My post was born more out of curiosity for how the sales tax in the US works in general for different types of sales channels and outlets. I haven’t purchased that many items directly from US retailers; I tend to get stuck on stuff requiring freight forwarders.

In general, if you buy something in store, you will pay sales tax for wherever the store is. It used to be common that if you buy a big ticket item in store (like a watch), they would ship it to you and not charge you tax. If you order something online, most places will charge sales tax of whatever state it's going to be delivered to. But there are still a few places that don't collect sales tax for online orders. There are several overseas retailers that do collect US state sales tax for online orders.

Pretty much every city, county, state has different sales tax laws and different rates so there's not really a universal answer.

I suspect for overseas orders, most US retailers aren't going to collect any taxes.

 

[Gustaf]

In general, if you buy something in store, you will pay sales tax for wherever the store is. It used to be common that if you buy a big ticket item in store (like a watch), they would ship it to you and not charge you tax. If you order something online, most places will charge sales tax of whatever state it's going to be delivered to. But there are still a few places that don't collect sales tax for online orders. There are several overseas retailers that do collect US state sales tax for online orders.

Pretty much every city, county, state has different sales tax laws and different rates so there's not really a universal answer.

I suspect for overseas orders, most US retailers aren't going to collect any taxes.

As you say, it varies a lot, but in line with your last paragraph and my admittedly limited experience I have yet to see any US online retailer apply tax on sales to international buyers.

In any case, I am sorry if I went off on a bit of a tangent here.

To bring it back on the topic of landed cost, which is what was discussed earlier, here is an actual data point:

Importing leather shoes to Sweden, which is in the EU, from a country outside the EU (such as US and UK) adds 8 % in duties and 25 % in VAT to the total purchase price (including the shipping cost), meaning a 35 % markup. Then the carrier adds an administrative fee on top of all that for good measure.

You have to really like shoes to do this.

 

[JUAN MANUEL]

Pembroke in darg Brown Wax Calf. From Bodileys, always excellent service.

 

[JPJ109]

Hi all,
A newby here, and trying to get my head around C&J Coniston's from here in Aus.
A have the usual RM's and a few pairs of Cheaney shoes and Oak Street Trench boots with leather soles. But I do wear my shoes hard & given its coming into winter here Danite looks the go.
I can get a pair of Conistons here in my size (UK8) if the 325 last is similar to the Cheaney 125 last, but saw a great comparison picture with the Carmina Oscar & now am undecided!
The Oscar can be had in Cordovan hatch grain (Burgundy shell hatch grain, is it really that red as the picture on the Carmina site is unclear?) for not that much more than the Coniston in tan scotch country grain, or the Oscar in Tan Karagrain which looks similar to the Coniston tan for less $.
I usually go with brown boots and thought the Coniston in tan may be a nice change (and I can get it here), and will likely stand up to abuse a bit better.
It just so happens I may be able to get my hands on a pair of the Galway II in Cordovan, but with the leather sole....
Help!
Thanks..

 

[Diego65]

Hi, quality-wise, C&J and Carmina are fantastic; my way to go is rubber sole; in terms of last, C&J 325 is quite different to Cheaney 125; Cheaney is more elongated and sleek.
Coniston is a robust boot. I wear the same model in tan in the countryside in the UK and no problem, I take care of the leather.
I own Carmina boots, but I never put these boots to an actual abuse; always, I wear in the city.
I think there is a matter of taste; you will never be wrong whether you choose C&J or Carmina.
Cheers!!!