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** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

Braid

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Hey lads

Hope 2020 has been great for you all so far.. Newbie here (and my first post) so go easy on me please! :blush:

First I’d like to start by saying a massive ‘Thank you’ to you wonderful lot! I started thinking about getting into some quality leather shoes mid-late last year and felt so overwhelmed with so much information to take in. Randomly came across this forum and have been doing quite a bit of reading for the past 6 months, which has helped me a great deal!

It’s a deep bloody rabbit hole and given I tend to impulse buy at times, it didn’t work in my favour in this instance! I went overboard and spent all my savings (which were going towards a push bike and a camera) on 6 pairs of Crockett and Jones!!! :oops:

Here is my collection:

C&J Westfield Dark Brown (Last 341)

C&J Sydney Dark Brown (Last 341)

C&J Maitland Dark Brown (Handgrade - Last 337) *Exclusive to Double Monk in Melbourne*

C&J Maitland Black (Handgrade - Last 337)

C&J Belgrave Chestnut (Handgrade - Last 337)

C&J Stroud (Handgrade - Last 367) – Pictures attached *Exclusive to American Tailors in Melbourne*

I am still fairly new to this and from my limited exposure, I seem to like the 337 last. I like elegant (kinda timeless fashionable) looking shoes - neither too pointy so they look clowny (which seems to be the trend these days) nor too round so they look old school and boring. I really wanted to get Weymouth II or Edgware but I found the lasts too pointy (348 and 373).

I find myself wearing Maitland the most as I find it really comfy all around. I just absolutely love the Belgrave, what a bloody looker!! I do find the oxford slightly uncomfortable on my instep (esp where the shoe creases on my left foot, it digs into the bottom of my big toe joint) and around my pinky toe. That is somewhat true for the Westfield too. Would it soften up/get better overtime? I can still manage to spend a work day in it but I don’t get that ‘Oh these shoes are so comfy and fit like a glove (statement you hear rather often about quality leather shoes)’. I have only worn Westfield and Belgrave about 4-5 times. Or should I perhaps consider half a size big in the cap toe shoes? I currently wear a 7.5E.

The other issue with the 337 is a slight heel slip, which I gets much better if I tie the Belgrave and the Westfield firmly. I tend not to as then it hurts my instep.. Is there a solution to this?

Questions

What are your thoughts on the 337 last? Is it as timeless as I think it is? Do you think I made a good investment? I am starting to doubt myself a little now..? :confused:

I really wanna buy another pair in burgundy colour and would like to try another, say elegant, last, and possibly another brand. I tried a pair of Edward Greens Inverness in burgundy in the 888 last and really wanted to like it but the toe too square for my liking. I am also thinking of the Galway in the 82 last in Dark Oak Mink Suede (perhaps a pre-owned one). Yes I understand it’s a totally different shoe but what are your thoughts on the 82 last in general? That, or I am strongly leaning towards a Handgrade MTO C&J on a 337 last – either an Andover (https://www.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/chz1lc/first_impressions_crockett_and_jones_andover_in/) or an Edgware as I really like the U-throat punch details compared to the plain Weymouth II.

Sorry for the long post and so many questions but I'd really appreciate your advice!

Thanks :)

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Welcome to the forum! Congratulations on your collection, all great shoes! I am particularly jealous of the Stroud, as this seems to be a really unique make up.

My first suggestion would be to stop buying shoes for a while, so you can better develop your personal taste and avoid regretting or second guessing your purchase. It would give you time to understand which lasts fit you better (4-5 wear are not enough, give the 341 some more time!), your needs in term of use cases (formal shoes vs casual/boots) and your aesthetic preferences.

Second suggestion: If you are looking for a less pointy version of Edgware I recommend Bodileys Hanover which are mode by Crockett and Jones on the 341 last, with a slightly different (more discrete probably) medallion. It's not burgundy but the color is really great:



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Welcome to the forum! Congratulations on your collection, all great shoes! I am particularly jealous of the Stroud, as this seems to be a really unique make up.

My first suggestion would be to stop buying shoes for a while, so you can better develop your personal taste and avoid regretting or second guessing your purchase. It would give you time to understand which lasts fit you better (4-5 wear are not enough, give the 341 some more time!), your needs in term of use cases (formal shoes vs casual/boots) and your aesthetic preferences.

Second suggestion: If you are looking for a less pointy version of Edgware I recommend Bodileys Hanover which are mode by Crockett and Jones on the 341 last, with a slightly different (more discrete probably) medallion. It's not burgundy but the color is really great:



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I really like those. I was just browsing Bodiley's selection yesterday. Are all their own line made by C&J?
 

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I really like those. I was just browsing Bodiley's selection yesterday. Are all their own line made by C&J?
Not all the lines. Mayfair line is made by CJ (if not entirely at least most of the models as you can easily recognize the now discontinued Skye 3, Pembroke on 341 last, Chiltern etc..).

Bodileys London instead I believe is made by Chaney, at least some of the models: I can recognize the Chelsea and the double monk, not sure about the others.

If you want to know about a specific model you can try to call them.
 

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For the Bodiley London line, they usually list the last as BODXXX where XXX is the Cheaney last number. They used to do that with the C&J made ones but seem to have stopped.
 

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Does anyone know the last of these RL bench made on eBay? I’ve been on a not so urgent search for black shoes that I can wear once a year with a suit for formal purposes such as a funeral, etc.

 

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Anyone has experience with 363 last?

My feet has the following profile:
348 (loafer) - UK 8
325 (loafer, Cavendish in fact) - UK 7.5
337 (oxford) - UK 8 (little extra volume across the vamp)
EG 82 - UK 8

348 and 82 are my best fitting last.

Any advice for a chukka in 363 last? Just thinking 7.5 or 8. Thanks guys!
 

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Anyone has experience with 363 last?

My feet has the following profile:
348 (loafer) - UK 8
325 (loafer, Cavendish in fact) - UK 7.5
337 (oxford) - UK 8 (little extra volume across the vamp)
EG 82 - UK 8

348 and 82 are my best fitting last.

Any advice for a chukka in 363 last? Just thinking 7.5 or 8. Thanks guys!
363 is a long and narrow last.

If it helps, I wear UK6.5 in all C&J sizes (358, 367 and 325) including the 363. I have tried but not own the 337 and I was also and without doubt a UK6.5.

I would say you should be UK8 but the fact that you size down half a size in the 325 makes my hesitate. I own a derby in the 325 which is size UK6 and it's too short (in fact, I have it on sale in this forum). But I would also say that the 325 is a wider and shorter last than those 363, 367, 358 and 337.
 

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363 is a long and narrow last.

If it helps, I wear UK6.5 in all C&J sizes (358, 367 and 325) including the 363. I have tried but not own the 337 and I was also and without doubt a UK6.5.

I would say you should be UK8 but the fact that you size down half a size in the 325 makes my hesitate. I own a derby in the 325 which is size UK6 and it's too short (in fact, I have it on sale in this forum). But I would also say that the 325 is a wider and shorter last than those 363, 367, 358 and 337.
similar experience. I am UK8 on 348 and 341 but UK8.5 on 325 because of the length. Sorry no experience with 363 yet.
 
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