** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by david3558, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. Gerry Nelson

    Gerry Nelson Senior member

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    I prefer the Carmina as well although I haven't tried both pairs - the C&J in in a G fitting so slightly wider than usual. My feet are on the borderline of medium and wide so I'm not sure whether a narrower last like the Simpson is the best idea. If they offered this on the Rain last, it would be a no brainer. Then again, suede stretches quite a bit the more it's worn so maybe getting a pair that's snug and letting them stretch might be the way to go.

    I nearly got the Merton some time back but decided it didn't suit my foot for the reasons you state above.

    Both, huh? [​IMG]
     


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    With "they" you mean the shoes, right?

    If so, I'm not sure I agree. It seems, the longer one's feet, the more people size down from their 'proper' shoes size. And the shorter one's feet, the more people seem to size up from their 'proper' shoes size. While the effect you describe may exists, it doesn't seem sufficient for many people.
     


  3. bengal-stripe

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    The principle of grading in ready-to-wear, once one parameter gets bigger, everything else gets bigger as well. There is really no fundamental difference difference between a shirt pattern or a shoe last. In a shirt, once you increase the collar size, everything else in the shirt gets bigger: the body is cut wider and longer, as are the sleeves as the shirt is supposed to fit a bigger man. The same in a shoe last: as the length increases with a larger size, the circumference, sole shape, heel width, they all increase according to a laid down formula. This is done these days by computer.

    As the shoe size is getting larger, the proportion of narrow width requirements also increases. There are far more extra-narrow feet in a size 12 than there are in a size 6. As virtually all continental shoe manufacturer produce only one width (‘standard’ – whatever that might be) there are far more long and skinny people with narrow feet who find the shoes that fit in length are too wide – the opposite applies to the small sizes: the shoes fitting in width are frequently too long. So, they long feet are forced to size down, as there is too much volume in a shoe of the correct length. In the same way the small sizes are forced to size up as the correct size will be too narrow. It is not necessarily a question of choice, but of supply.

    Just as you will see frequently short, but not petite guys wearing suits which are way too long. (What are you going to do, if you need size 36 for length, but 42 or 44 for circumference.) As they cannot find a big size in Short or even Extra-Short fitting they, have to get a suit which fits their girth but is for them on the long and too-long side. (Sleeves and trouser length might be altered, but the bottom of the coat hovers somewhere near the knees.)
     


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    Thank you, bengal-stripe!

    I've already noted that shoe size deviations could also be explained by the "volume" deviations (width and girth measurements), but I haven't had time to estimate which effect would explain it best. I'm so glad you confirmed this.

    Interestingly, the effect wasn't mentioned in any paper from the medical sciences I've read.
     


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    Any sizing advice on the 325 last? Never really tried on any C&Js but am looking at a pair of boots on the 325. Seems to be a slightly wider last? Normally a size 10.5E / 11D (wider fit, 10.5E is a better fit), 10.5D in Alden barrie. What size would I be on 325 last?
     
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  7. Gerry Nelson

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    My wingtip Marlows (on the 325) are marked as a US10/UK9.5 so I would suggest you try a UK10.

    Which boots are you looking at?
     


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    Thanks, looking at a pair (don't want to post here in case someone buys it) but it's in 10D US (Barneys model) so it'll probably be too small for me then
     


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    Can't you buy it, try it and return it if it doesn't fit? I thought the US had pretty good return policies. I wouldn't discount the boots without at least trying them on.
     


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    You'll need a size 10UK or possibly a 9.5UK. I full size down but ymmv
     


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    Thanks, it's a rare make so I'm really tempted although I'm pretty sure they will be too small as seller said he is a full size smaller than me and the boots are just a bit loose on him
     


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    Yeah, I vaguely remember those when they were on sale. Would never have spent more than like $150 on shoes back then though
     


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